I've read the Darkside RG forum for years...never joining but reading and learning and I consider myself a fan of this web site and the "old" site forums. And not fan of the "twiter" style one way chat. But after reading a story on MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33207216/ns/wo...d_central_asia/ and learning the Taliban has their own web site bragging about killing GI's (Canadian, American, British, & others). I had to join and say something. Now I'm not a fan of the Iraq war, but the Taliban & Al Qaeda caused 9/11. So I am a supporter for the Afghan war and have family there.
While we all complain and debate Copyright laws & internet guidelines becoming rules/laws. And where AXXO has gone, the real hostiles that would not blink an eye or loose sleep at night over killing any of us in real life run a web site and communicate with each other. Now we all know how Incompetent Governments are controlling or even regulating the internet. People in China can still download Harry potter in any format they want, it may take some more steps than most of us but it still can be done. Also the Media whales seem to having the upper hand these days and all the Torrent news is dark, but we can as we did before wait out the 4 year cycle they are on. But when our Flag Ship TPB went into the Swiss courts the prosecution lawyers and even the represented media outfits were DOS attacked almost on a daily pattern.
With all of our ability as a group ( the children of the internet) and some of old dogs that enjoy this computer world since it's beginning, we should at least step up to some level and say "get out of our world". The Taliban and terrorist groups have no business in our internet world, and if we do not attack them. Then we will be thrown in the same group as them even if we are classified as "media terrorist". The Media groups forcing new laws by the way of money in most cases, and as the state the world is in with all the terrorist groups it is forcing the governments around the world to sort through the gray areas of the internet to create black & white right & wrong.
As a rebel I can call myself, I do believe in right causes the ones that do not kill, hurt or maim others. I do believe in the human freedom of speech, knowledge, & the ability of the human race growing into something greater even if it is under a Government that limits such growth. But I do not believe in Groups or Governments that stop such growth or teach that Suicide bombers will receive gifts on the other side. Only the un-educated human will believe in such things. If one was locked in a room from their start of life and taught Might & magic he or she would believe that stuff was real. Only the internet has the power to reach beyond boarders and teach those who would have been taught to follow the ideals of the few.
I'm sorry for my rant & if this post is in the wrong Cat. but I truly believe we should attach those web sites to defend our way of life and separate us from that group (or side of the internet).

while I agree 1000%
If we go to those sites [ that are being watched by at least the U.S. government]
then we open ourselves to also being watched.....................I for one do not want my or any Government looking any closer at me than they might already be

but if you find a way to attack them without me endangering my own freedoms......................I'm with you and all for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and I must say weak people in my country are ready to bail on the whole war because a small group was killed last week

get over it folks ............thats the cost of war.............. people die ........on both sides

and ratio wise the deaths are much lower than in any other wars in history at least on our side
and a lot of those deaths come from the fact we play by rules and try and not hurt the innocent [ something also not done much before these wars]
and acting that way has cost us lives

IMO...............the useless U.N. should stand up and send as many as it takes to stop and kill all those who wish harm to anyone anywhere not just afghanistan..............but there are also lots of out and out killers in africa that need dealt with

and isn't that what the U.N was actually started for was to show a united world against evil????

Hi hellhound69 Interesting first post.


I'm not going into the whys and wherefores of who was at fault for 9/11, thats for another thread.

What I will say is that I dont agree that the internet belongs to any one and the arguement that "we" should restrict "them" is a non starter. You simply cant say "get out of our world" because, put simply, it is their world too. The internet must be free to anybody and everybody and no party should try and restrict another for their views, no matter how distasteful we may find them.

Also I dont find anything wrong in the fact that, having killed the invaders and occupiers of their lands, they choose to hoist their colours. That seems a perfectly normal action and I would imagine most other armies to do a similar thing following a victory

but why did we invade and occupy them?

and yes I'll agree most if not all [specialy in their own country] would raise their flag

and responceablity..............................OSAMA said they did it..................what more proof do you need...................just courious

and the internet being free..........well yes but most including this site do not allow any.........any at all........hate speech

so if we really want a better world for all why make it easy for these killers to spread hate and teach the young its OK to kill in the name of their God

personally I live where we probily got the most free speech.........................and it shouldn't be............words can and do cause as much damage as bullets and bombs..................................and there should be consiqences for saying and teaching certain beliefs.......................since its those words that lead to war

just a old fat mans opiniion

From another point of view, I agree. But I see the internet is going to be "neutered" because of (at least) the Terrorist web activities over time. From a country stand point killing invaders and occupiers of their lands. Yes I see your point. Also that on the internet belongs to subject, it should be for everyone and I see the trap we get into once we start dictating how it should be used and by who. But the gov's will restrict if it threatens them....and terrorist do. I'm just saying somethings we need to stand up against or else we'll be grouped with them.......and all resticted

As a old wise teacher said "The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see the future is "

actually the future is clear if these type of people are not stopped.................and it is very bad

The beauty of the internet is its uncensored nature. It is freedom at its best. Free speech is exactly what it says on the label, it's the ability to express yourself in whatever way you see fit. It might be speech that's against your beliefs, values or views, it might be speech that's distorted or untrue but there's no bad free speech, there's no 'right' or 'wrong' free speech, it's only a freedom for anyone to say what they will.

Look at it this way, if you stop pedophiles discussing child molestation on the internet it won't stop them molesting children. If you stop terrorists gloating on the internet it won't stop terrorism. If you ban hate speech on the internet it won't make everyone more tolerant. What you see on the internet of these things is a symptom, not a root cause. You can't stop something by treating the symptoms, it will be out of sight but still there.
I agree that free speech can be used to lure the weak and vulnerable but this is s symptom of them having a lack of tools to see through the propaganda and biased rhetoric. The same internet free speech is also the tool to provide evidence for an informed decision if only they understand how to use it.

I would rather people were educated to look behind what's put in front of their eyes, to ask themselves questions, seek their own evidence and make up their own minds. Once they start to do this the impact and usefulness of free speech and the internet as a propaganda medium to these groups will fade to nothing, it will actually work against them.

You closed your post with a quote from Yoda.....

You could have at least chosen one of the greatest philosophers of our time who said......
'People who don't think probably don't have Brains; rather, they have grey fluff that's blown into their heads by mistake'

Maybe because President Bush had an agenda?



Politicians often have a habit of frequently not telling the truth. There are many years of behind-the-scenes foreplay leading up to 11th Sept 01 and the following invasion of Afghanistan that is has not been entirely explained, such as the personal business relationship between Bush and Bin Laden &etc &etc. I choose to believe that all is not as clear cut as what we are told by the american administration concerning the 9/11 atrocity

Also, Consider the lies we were given by Bush and Blair to justify the invasion of Iraq (-WOMD) It has been shown to be total and utter bullshit


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In my opinion, all religion that seeks to convert others to their way of thinking, be it all forms of Christianity, Islam or any other, is utterly evil and there is no place for it in any civilised society

Much of the media in my country (and others too, judging from what I've seen of Foxnews and others), although a lot subtler than Al Jazeera and so on is just as persuasive in its moral crusade and emotive propaganda against any persons/groups stereotyped as religious extremists.

I notice these days that the main news channels tend more toward emotion (stories such as " ...think of those poor children now without a dad murdered by an indoctrinated, doti-wearing 12 year old wielding a sub-machine gun... ") with often unfounded opinions rather than actual hard facts when reporting the "news" -and the "fact" is always biased (naturally enough) toward the occupying forces.


In all honesty, the last thing we want is for inept government ministers to start passing laws governing what sites we can and cant visit. The choice should be ours - not theirs. After all, no one is forcing anyone to visit a site they dont want to go to




Free the Web!

Winnie the Pooh, I believe
(and I'm curiously proud that I didn't have to google that)

Lol, I'm just curious that you didn't need to Google it.
(And a little impressed as I think about it)

Your post has the question and the answer in it when you say:

"Only the internet has the power to reach beyond boarders and teach those who would have been taught to follow the ideals of the few."

So with the internet you get free speech. You also get an amazing power to research. You getthe power to see the other side of the coin if you dare look.

It sucks, but unpopular speech is just as important as popular speech.

Wise words amigo
Badog pointed out a couple of times in his post Stopping the images and propaganda won`t and can`t stop bad things happening. ..Terrorism is a tool used by these people to get what they want,what is needed is to educate the people who use terror, that it will not get them what they want and using a violent and terrorist attitude towards the peoples' Beliefs they oppose will not have the desired effect. The media and political parties throughout the world are continually doing the Taliban's Advertising for them,Wrecking their web sites and trying to stop them using images and video to highten their cause would only make us as bad as them,(in the educational sense of the word.)....By restricting anyones access to the internet and restricting what people can and cannot see is a restriction few countries can afford,if you start with the internet and what people can and cannot see on there where does it end?...
Just my opinion...

As someone who lives in Middle East i totally support US war in Afghanistan at least when it first started but these days they are getting more and more public enemies because they kill a lot of innocent people during their operations.I think US has the Best weapons but the worst Army otherwise this war has long been finished because they just dont know how to fight and most of those soldiers are psycho path and sick no offense its some reality.

as for Taliban websites i wish they will be banned as they show some violent scenes against Humanity.
dont u ever asked urself who Osama is:he was trained by the USA long time ago and how many they are training now to harm others but after some years they will come back to haunt themselves.

We should in no way restrict them from their opinions and free speech. As for the question of hate speech it is still protected free speech, I can stand on any corner in America and vocally state my hate for any group or individual as long as i do not make a specific threat. To bad that the people expressing their right to free speech by posting the nastiness on that site hate my right to free speech.

In my humble opinion Mohamed was an evil man and Tyrant.

Care to take a guess at how many countries on Earth I would be executed in for that statement?

The point being don't subvert freedom in the name of freedom.

Now if some one would develop reliable translating software I would choose to directly engage them in debate maybe even flaming and trolling, but never restrict there right to voice their opinions and feelings.

Or you could start a website devoted to showing the bodies of dead Taliban and hurrahs for our side, but then I bet Muslims world wide would want to cry foul at that.

I think there's a very thin line between free speech and inciting hatred. I agree that free speech is a right all should enjoy but inciting hatred isn't free speech it's manipulation, propaganda and rhetoric.



The point being don't preach hate speech in the name of freedom either.

I am of the opinion that sometimes you just have to deal with the fact there is hate in the world leave it be as long as they do not cause harm or damages.
Take for instance the KKK, I hate racism, my wife and I are both mixed and I will freely admit I have put my hands on a few people for saying something they just shouldn't have. At the same time I fully support the right of the Klan to spout the filthiest crap they can think of. Any way that I damage their legal right to speak their opinion I damage my own right. I have thought about and discussed this point before and no matter how absurd an example you use it still comes out the same. Limiting one persons freedom in a democracy limits every ones freedom. Same situation with people giving up their rights for security, might sound good might even make you feel a little safer but in the end you gave up your rights and freedom.

It's all greed the lot of it,that's why we're over there in the 1st place.
War is greed disguised as politics,we invade these countries and steal their resources and occupy and torture their people,is it any wonder they want us dead.

As Voltaire reputedly said



Voltaire also said, (displaying both wisdom and prescience)

no more will b said .

and this is fact. the same way they use the internet to find these sites. they can use the internet to see wats good/bad...real/fake..... can b u sed to gain further information about wat it is u seek.