From all that has come to pass recently and not so recently, do you think revolution is brewing?

The people outnumber the government at least a million to one, yet most people are too afraid to step forward. They care too much about what their friend or neighbor will think of them. They would rather be one of the sheep than face possibly standing alone. Only the compliance of the population gives the government any authority. If no one paid their taxes, how would it be enforced? If war was declared and no one showed up to fight, how would it be enforced? Prohibition in the United States was overturned because juries would not convict.

We are being manipulated. What will you do or not do?

A near-identical topic here - however, that one is specific to the U.S.A
This may as well remain seperate to cover views about the possibility of revolution in other countries etc

It am inclined to think it is more than just the United States. The UK doesn't seem to be in best condition nor does most of the Commonwealth. Mainland Europe seems to be in the same ballpark as well. Parts of Asia are having problems as well. It looks like the issues are grasping all of the world in one way or another. It looks like it's moving to the forefront now instead of sitting on the back burner. People are becoming angry. But anger begets more anger.

Would you stand in the the front line? Would you be happy to be one of the first few that died for the cause, however noble that cause was?

Before having my children I would have said yes.

If I use your example and am in one of those groups that outnumber the government so greatly, I would not be able to engage in a violent overthrow for 2 reasons

1) I would be afraid that I would die in the process and leave my children without a father, and never have the opportunity to see them ever again.
2) I don't like the idea of killing people

Whilst it might be better to die on your feet that live on your knees, I can not bring myself to think of a situation where I am unable to see my children and have them be happy.

And a revolution can't be bloodless. People have to die or it just doesn't work.

Revolution in Britain?....That made me giggle. ..You have read most of my posts about how I hate Government and everything they are and stand for.But without a viable alternative there would be anarchy....What are the viable alternatives to the bunch of <insert expletive here> that are in power over us?...As Betty Junior states a bloodless revolt is nigh on impossible,I have stood for my country as a soldier and would do again,even at the cost of my life If I thought for one second that I could make a difference,however what is to stop a new government/regime taking over that is even worse than the one we have now?,If you think about it, they would have to be a lot more stringent on their rules and regs to prevent another revolt against them..! Power is nothing without control..!
I personally don`t care who runs the country as long as they do it for the best interests of the people who live there and not,as is the case now, to line their own pockets with the proceeds of their underhanded tricks and methods that are designed not for the people but for the rich and less than honest upper classes..!
We All need rules to live by and as its said time and time again.."you can please some of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time ..! But never all of the people all of the time..!"
I would just like to see a fair crack of the whip for all people,Regardless of their financial status and social class.!

A bloodless revolution is not impossible. I remember there was something called the Velvet Revolution. I don't think too many people died in that. Violence begets more violence. There seems to be an assumption that things need to be violent. How about non-violent, non-cooperational, massive “civil disobedience”? If everyone just stopped filing their taxes... If no one showed up for the war... If no one payed the speeding tickets... If no one gave the authority to the corrupt regime... It's getting people to do it. And people have the tendency to not agree on anything. By the time anyone gets around to agreeing on what to do, it's too late.

As for what to put in place afterward? There is nothing that would stand up to philosophical scrutiny. At all. Whenever humans involved, there is a possibility of corruption. Everyone is in it for themselves. I'm still partial to Taoist Philosopher Kings, but it's just one of many possibilities. Usually the need creates a solution.

No!

The Velvet Revolution is what we now call the overthrow of Communism in what was then Czechoslovakia. It was a bloodless revolution.

I use to be very political and now I just don't care anymore. I'm more concerned about the value of my investment property. Buying another property. Living the easy life. When you start talking politics or revolution to some people, their eyes just glaze over. They have more important things than ideals to think about, some of those things selfish like consumerism, material wealth, etc. And as BettyJunior said, people have priorities like their children. Most people don't care. Apathy rules.

The way I see it is that, people do suffer from apathy.

Everyone knows what is right and what is wrong.

But most people will talk about it, but would they do anything about it? No is the answer.

Some will argue, that "It's better the devil you know"

Some will be happy to be watered down into mental nothingness.

Some couldn't care less (this is the perfect attitude by the way) Oh it's all conspiratorial!!!

Wasn't Satan's greatest trick telling everyone that he doesn't exist.

I can almost smell the cooking of the mentally damned, it's on Gas mark 6

To answer your question, I would never go to war for any government, I personally think it is the highest insult of intelligence that someone asks the youth of that country, to travel thousands of miles to another country to kill someone who HASN'T done anything wrong to them. The guys that give the orders are NOWHERE NEAR the battlefield. They will say to their troops "We are right behind you" and they are SEVERAL THOUSAND MILES BEHIND THEM!!!

At least in times past if a King declared war he was out with his troops on the battlefield.

Regarding this issue, I don't have a problem going to battle, better than dying in a chair (metaphorically speaking)

This affects EVERYONE so it needs addressing personally for each individual.

Without labouring too many points, but in wars gone past where freedom was fought for, it will be that very freedom which is at stake, humans have had their potency virally sucked out of them, lethargy rules zzzz

IS it then better to live a day as a lion or a lifetime as a worm?

Ironically the greater mass will actually succeed at doing nothing, it will be the few, the very few which will pull the fat out of the fire, the greater mass will revel in its slumber.

For there to be a mighty Oak in the future, an acorn has to be planted today.

The Countdown is on, Time is running out, the clock ticks loudly in the mental darkness, in the distance is a faint light of opportunity.

Cannon to right of them
Cannon to left of them
Cannon in front of them
Volley and thunder
Storm at with shot and shell
Boldly they rode and well
Into the jaws of Death
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

if only the generals would storm washington and arrest everybody that would be the day!!!

is one coming? I wish

But we are overdue.

I will say that if and it is a Big IF any of the people of any of the major country's were to pose a revolt? Than that would break the wall for the "New World Order" and we will wind up worse than we are right now. I've had this conversation before with family and friends who have careered a military life and yes with the military today we will be nothing more than the over grown grass of what could be a beautiful lawn and they have the mower and they will use it, and don't think for a chance that the threat of "Act or be acted upon" to friends and family who are in service will go unsaid I know our military have no problem with acting upon its soldiers or their friends or their family's to get results.

Information is whats needed for the people plus the ambition to read the information and back track it
I've been doing a lot of reading lately and I thank the people here who have made me raise an eyebrow but I will say Go out and spend the day people watching grab something from your local mini mart and see all the Oxycontin Cowboys and Zani Bar Brides that are out there driving cars that they spent more money on than time learning how to drive. These are my fellow people that make me nuts griping about the "Man" but probably hit the wrong button on election day cause they were so banged up.
And please don't think I group any one who uses any thing into this group only "the special ones"

Honestly are these the people you want to be beside during something such as a revolt?
I hate the government always have, but what I hate more is senseless squabbling of the headless chickens that cant decide what side of the fence to flop to

Were not sheep or cattle at least they know where their going and do it together, Were just a few dogs, snakes and horses running in a pasture amongst headless poultry flopping about.

Mabey in 2012 ...But who really knows, I really agree with Blacknight,....I would'nt regret fighting for the cause,BUTT,..I could'nt bear the thought of leaving my 2 boys ,wife n FAM N friendz(LIKE MY DARKSIDERS)...I have good life insurance though that wont replace me. I wish in my opinion everyone could see the new world order,...but to many blind sheep ! Someone needs to take out those damn freemasons. If everyone with a good or even partially good head on there shoulders saw the truth come to light I think more would be down to fight for the cause. P.S. I am thankful for what I have,but F@%* the goverment new world freemason freaks!Greedy bastards! tired of over control and too much taxes,stupid wars,they just want us dead.

"Meet the new Boss same as the old Boss..."
Been there, done that. As we say here, SSDD (Same Shit Different Day).
It's the golden rule, "He who has the gold, makes the rules."
Revolution will never happen as long as most have a full belly and an idiot box in front of them.
No war (Revolution) has ever been fought for any reason other than economics.

These "leaders" have no integrity to speak of. What a bunch of cowardly A-holes...

And pepole still don't inform themselves...

They know when their stupid TV show is on but not the basic functions of Gov't or their nations history....oh damn....

I say more a political revolution than actual war (maybe in some places third-world though). I'm thoroughly fed up with my government as "mommy".

id like to see canada kick crooked politicians out of their job and jailed.
and our taxes are getting riddiculous, hst, gst, pst, paying for medical when we have medical?! wtf
im in :D

As much as I would love to see a bit done about the government, a real revolt int the states would be a bloody mess. We have had a few and all were carnage filled events. John brown, the wiskey and barley rebellions the civil war and ofcorse the trouble the Brits had over here(twice).

But actually we have a bloodless revolution every 2 years in washington and the "throne is over turned every 4. The '08 election really did feel like a revolution.

I agree, it did feel like a-change-was-a-comin', but now it's the same old crap. The president doesn't run the country alone. Don't forget about the senate, house, supreme court, etc, etc, etc. I believe we need a change to the 2 party system. There are many different schools of thought that don't fit within those cookie-cutter boundaries. Unfortunately, now that corporations can give piles of money to the candidates of their choice(and only the rich are elected anyways), we will be bombarded with candidates that are deeply rooted in special interests from the get go.

In other words, it will suck.

It's called elect the new dictators who don't do much, but you also have to realize that some parts of government work very well. Getting things done is one of the main pitfalls of this pseudo-democracy. If you want something done, move to a blatant dictatorship or stop caring. LOL.

actually Im pretty happy with the P.O.T.U.S. sure he has been getting bogged down in slug fests over the "BIG" issues but has had a pretty good first year, and if you look close thats not taking into account the economy being in the crapper when he took office. Contrary to the popular belief a smart determined pres can accomplish quite a bit, the confusion comes in by the fact most good deeds they do don't pay off in their term.

My lot in life has improved a bit since last year thanks to Mr. Obama. If they come threw with this new jobs bill it will mean the end of capital gains taxes on small businesses. My girl n I are both employed by small companies so this is very good news for us.

Plus Im a native son of Detroit so if they start taking away the corporate welfare for companies that ship jobs out of the country, well lets just say that wins this independents vote next time.

Dissatisfaction and dissidence are up; as is profane laziness and a glut of noveltainment and junkfood to offset it.
You can't start a riot, a revolt, change a mind or even your own reactions when your un-nourished, under-oxygenated and pre-occupied with streamertainment (rather than the info-glut of pdfs here).
Maybe I'm just making excuses for the lazy masses.
But shallow consumer culture is a hard cycle to be trapped in and fair go, I think everyone struggles with the depth of their existence, however with a lack of vocabulary or discrete categorisation (aggregate knowledge and specialised jargon) can make nothing out of it.
Eyes glazing over when you talk of spirituality and politics is to do with an inability to grasp understanding through the noise.

Obviously 30, working, kids and in-debt is a fine reason not to try and improve the system that defines all too much of our lives.

So go out and ask the younger generation.
They may be lazy too, but gosh they're smart and they get fed better these days too.
Kids ousting their sexuality at fifteen, arguing against cannabis prohibition a year later, doing projects on successful examples of clean energy or positive governance.
There's your presidential material with a can-do attitude and that romantic insistence that 'if it can be Right, so it should be'.

It does not have to be violent at all, a revolution without a good dance and a poetry contest is no revolution I want to be part of. :)
Revolution may be as simple as a structural change in the electoral process or the reaction against govt. web-censorship, that creates a nodule of civil-liberty/free-speech/open-patents that branches out into changes that affect the entire system.
A prosperous steady-state system could see us only working 2 hours a week and devoting the rest of our time and infinite, cheap energy towards cultural (and I hope, spiritual) pursuits. Time and energy for family and festivity and ffs pursuing the mental illness that is the ecstacy of love (platonic).

The time is here, the barley is ripe, prohibition prices upon us and the populous needs but a drop to inspire them to action ...
Time to get brewing.
(And my toucan stout with cacao beans and molasses sure shows some revolutionary potential)

Trouble is that once in the White House, it's back to the default attitude. ".......but I didn't inhale......"

Idealists they may be now, but once given the (sensibly limited) control of the reins of power, it's all about realpolitik.

Sensibly limited reins of power?

Conservative governance would be great if we got it right to start with.

But while it's all such a shambles, I'm up for local autonomy, communist takeover, populists who think they're prophets, rampant dictatorship, military CinC action ...
So long as it's a change and with the correct intent.

The political structure seems to discourage change outright ... unless your in the MIC or Big Pharma or Monsanto.

It's as likely as not that Obama may never have had principles, but put on a brilliant show of emotion and eloquence (as a lot of leaders do, I imagine) that fooled the world into thinking 'yes he can' and 'yes he already has' - back to business as usual.

An old lady recently said to me, the only way you'll get a revolution in the west is to ban either alcohol or football.
Our sporting-worship and substance-escapism aside, if a tiny proportion of the drunken, sporting youth actually cared to invest their energy in revolt or debate or using their vast virtual networks to incite some action (rather than just hitting each other and driving into trees) - we could see some real, instant, affirmative action.
Humanity is metaphorically gushing ethanol vapours from every orifice, we need to strike a light, harness and direct the collective bellyfire of billions at the right bunch of douchebags at the top (and hope they don't push the big red button before jumping in a rocket and leaving us to our own means).

This is going a little off topic,

To the people to caught up in your own reality (average American) you need to wake up. Any Nation wide disruption of food delivery and you are going to be out of food in less than a week. How much food do you have in your house, how much of that is frozen or refrigerated, the cold stuff is gone in 2 days unless its cold out. How long do you think any thing you will need will last in the store. Today you laugh at the people stockpiling food and weapons. When something bad does happen they are planning to shoot you to keep you from stealing their food. They thought ahead and you couldn't be concerned so why should they feed millions who didn't. We are not in control of much of any thing, the Universe can slap us hard at any time.

If you can't grow a garden than at least put down the $5 box of Twinkies and buy some canned goods. Think the Dust Bowl days in the 30's sounded bad, we are in a pretty bad drought and the Aquifers in the Midwest are being pumped dry. Bees are dieing off at an alarming rate and thanks to the mirror effect we are not even feeling the brunt of Global warming yet because all the smog is reflecting radiation back into space, so when we clean up the air its going to get hotter. The Mayan Empire colapsed because it out grew its ability to feed its people. 300,000,000+ people in America today.

The people that made the rules are dying off - don't be in too much of a hurry.
The world will change for the better one way or another.

In the meanwhile I'm making sure to be nice to the teenagers - they're going to be taking care of me sooner than I think.

If it comes, it comes.

You don't care huh?
Well why post then?
Do you have kids?
What kind of world will they see when they grow up? A screwed up corrupt one,because in general Humans are short sighted and stupid.

Apparently we will do nothing, I am definetly ready for a revolution, and waiting. I understand why there hasnt been one yet, mostly because of lack of leadership, and organization. Something will eventually push us over the edge, to the point were we dont care about leadership and organization, we will revolt and figure out the leadership and orginazation later. Most likely that las straw will be the civilian army, or a gun control law taking away our secnd amendment. Unfortunately, our governement knows that these are our breaking points and will use that against us for as long as possible.

I want a revolution NOW i want BLOOD!

Oh so true, mate. In England we had the poll tax riots, it didn't succeed. We are still paying it, and every year it gets more and more difficult to pay it.

The riots started as a proper, reasonable, peaceful demonstration against an unfair tax, it developed into a riot after there was a mounted charge of a sit-down protest just off Whitehall that contained women and children. When it kicked off, it was about the use of force against passive protest, they weren't ready for the massive outpouring of violence against the police who were, at first, following the orders of a few incredibly stupid politicians and their own higher command, when everything kicked off, the police were fighting for survival. The tactics the police used were fine for a small to medium protest, but there were well over 100,000 people there that day and the tactics backfired, the most hated chant by 5pm that afternoon was

"There's more of us than you"....

WHY it happened wasn't a surprise, THAT it happened was.

There were many groups there that day that specialise in fomenting discord, they turn up at any demonstration, but the feeling of the people wasn't with them. That changed when the police charged.

If we had managed to contain the violence, and control the fury, we might have stood a chance of changing things, but when the police were attacked we lost the support of the public who don't like to see the rozzers getting their arses kicked, for whatever reason.

We could have changed things that day, but a mob is the hardest thing to control, there is one soul, but there isn't one mind. It is reactive, not proactive. The force wasn't channeled in one direction, it was just force, and force spread over a wide area is dissipated.

As I've said on another thread, it was a great chance wasted.

I need a Aliens vs Predator avator

not the right pleace to ask for one, mate.

In the nazi days in Germany, if you were a 'true' nazi, you were settled. I mean, Hitler and his gang provided everything and all they asked for in return was total obediance. This tells me that people are even willing to give up their free mind in order to have a taste of the good life. People just never realise what price they payed until its too late. And why? Because the way the system is implied is always with a cover reason, a reason they know the people understand given the circumstances. Take the patriot act and 9/11 as example, if 9/11 never happened the patriot act would NEVER have passed congress cause it totaly tears apart the bill of rights and the constitution. But people bought the legislation because it gave them (false) certainty they could keep living their life the way they did, never even realising what they sacrificed in the process. And the false certainty is fueled by the media, just as hitler did it with his news reals and state controlled newspapers. The same mantra is heard now....we need it to stay safe. Hermann Goering has a nice quote about it.

Imo the only thing that is gonna push any country into revolution is when they start to lack the basics, not even talking about the luxery life anymore, talking about the basics. If the financial crisis would have hit as hard as the one in 20's and 30's.....you would have had revolt, especially if on top of that you get the massive intrusion on your civil rights as the patriot act ect does in the US. Events like that create leadership. Hitler and Lenin were created in similar situations, both countries were in economic ruins and not a single political party of the day could change it. And thats where the danger lies, that just because you feel its time for revolution that you'll trade what you have for something far worse. And im not talking about the way in wich the revolution happened, in Russia in 1917 it was a real armed revolution. Hitler made sure he got elected before eliminating the opposition through deceit, the burning of the reichstag and the abolition of the communist party and everything that followed but its a revolution none the less.

Mind you, this need not be a bloody revolution. It could be all smothering or like the Velvet Revolution in Prague.

We can only hope so. But remember that in 1968 there was another period of peacefull revolution if you can call it that, the Prague Spring period, and it was crushed with brute force. And if a situation like that explodes, nobody knows where it will end.

Bloody revolutions shouldn't have a place in modern society.

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.", Oscar Wilde

They also create a nation on a foundation of regrets and fear, which isn't the disired outcome otherwise it wouldn't happen to begin with.

Too bad those in power to whom a revolution would be directed still seem to think power comes from the barrel of a gun.

I really dont see any gov just simply bowing down because thats what the people want. If a couple million people went to DC and protested for a week, in attempt to overthrow the gov. The gov would just declare martial law, and the same goes for other countries having problems as well, no gov is just going to relinquish there power and bow down, atleast not imo.

One of the issues with a revolution would be the transition. Who does what and how do we get there? Otherwise you're going to end up with a lot of angry people with no government. At least during the American Revolution, they were pretty well governing themselves anyhow, but now, it would be different.

Declaring martial law would probably exacerbate the problem and show the country why they need a revolution even more.

Without organization it would be useless, there would have to basically be a plan in place to follow as soon as the gov was overthrown. I dont think it would be to difficult to pull off though, as long as the overthrowing gov was able to do the basics, which is protect its people from foreign threats and maintain its borders from foreign threats. It would give time to reestablish the gov, isnt it surprising that the two basics I listed that the overthrowing gov would have to accomplish, are the only two things the US gov were ever intended to do.

I really think the US could pull off an overthrow of the gov, if one branch of the US military could somehow go against the current gov, along with a couple billionaires and the "people", its possible.

The level of organization and brains, in general and something severely lacking, would make it extremely hard if there were an actual over-throwing. If they were to step down and there were concessions made, it would be a different matter. There could be a transition period.

Well everyone here is my two cents on this matter, when I look at our government leaders they are just standing there laughing at us. Here in this country the government waste is so bad it's unbelievable, ex: as a senor last year 2010 we got a .59¢ increase were are we suppose to go with that I ask you?

If we tried to over through the government here we would have the the US army in here so fast we wouldn't know what day it was, " Thanks to our great master in Ottawa who back in February 2010 went down to Washington and had a secret agree signed by the president that if a revolt was taken here that the US army would be call in at once. " The oh great leader that was done because the army here would turn against its own people.

Like some before said these fat cats don't care about the little people at all, they just keep getting richer while we get poorer.

For after working thirty years at the same place all I get is a .59¢ increase what a joke when these fat cats vote themselves a 15% increase and no one has B***s to say any thing.

Something has to be done to stop this abuse.

EDITED to add source.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-d...b-approval.aspx

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"Is Revolution Brewing?"
A resounding no.

"Virtually every pollster has tracked at least a nominal improvement in the President's approval rating over the last month or so, including a 13-point net approval swing in the latest Marist poll." Jon Terbush |January 14, 2011, 12:20PM


Over half the population is happy. Happy people don't revolt.

I dont think I would debunk this topic, or the peoples views in this country, along with many other countries, with a simple poll. If that is the case then I live in a different reality.

Unless of course those happy polled people were ones such as peggy the moocher, or maybe those happy people got some more of obamas stash

We all know how reliable statistics are.

If even only one branch of the military decided to revolt along with the people, I believe that may be enough organization on its own, as for brains, I believe there are many in place who would be more then willing to step up once it got kicked off. Whats that national treasure saying "those that have the capability, have the responsibility"

Does anyone know if any branch of the military can even break apart from the gov and run independent, im not very keen on this subject, but I would suppose that the generals dont necessarily have to "obey" the president?

This is just for entertainment purposes only obviously,

Of course. This is an intellectual discussion.

Is revolution brewing in America? No. The Americans fear dictatorship.
Of course the United States Supreme Court are obliged to uphold the will of the people, so go for it.

Dictator LaoTzu, catchy name

It depends which Americans you are talking about, many already live under dictatorship, not that Dictatorship is what would happen if a revolution was to occur Id assume the revolutionaries would be more intelligent then to overthrow, and establish a dictatorship. I would suggest you listen to a couple audios of Michael Savage, before you come to an assumption, if this is something that truly interest you.

Its said more then 30,000 individual gangs roam the US, some to note, Pagans, Angels, Brotherhood, Bloods, Crips, Panthers, Kings, As I said 30,000, with millions of members, these Americans live under Dictatorship, they do not associate with the US gov, nor follow in any way.

However if you are referring to how the media perceives Americans, then yes those Americans do fear Dictatorship, but I assure you those Americans are few and far between, and by no means make up the majority.



I must live in a different America mammajo