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kronictokr
there is so much that gets discovered ( cures for diseases ) and swept under the rug as soon as its brought to light. making mega bucks for drug companies. but we the public take the hit for it, financially as well as with our health.
so we can kinda keep a log here, so information doesnt get lost before it gets lost for good.
or just discuss new technology and treatments
so if you have some good info, help keep a darksider healthy and add it

not long ago, you may have heard on the news for one day, about a herb that cures cancer. and then nothing??
im going to look into that one, i have a friend from the haida gwai native clan. one night we were talking at a party, dont ask me how the topic came up , but , i think he mentioned something about that herb. ill have to ask him next time i see him.

what caught my interest this time is this, about replacement organs for your body. the video on the homepage is funny, but im warped so... its all good as long as your rich as hell.

oh yeah did someone mention pot was a great painkiller

indica strain produces more of a chemical proven to stabilize skitzofrenics and alieve other mental stability issues

while sativa has the opposite, could be visa versa on the stains, ill double check and edit if its not right.

soaking a wound with hot tea bags (not scalding hot) will draw out infection and speed up healing on open wounds. black tea works best. soak for 30 mins to an hour

pets lower stress levels in humans

eating healthy really does make a big diference

anyone know any good ways to quit smoking
LaoTzu
I believe all illness is psychosomatic. Change your thoughts, change your life.

As a side not: If there was such a thing as a cure, why does it not work for everyone?
Niantic
QUOTE (LaoTzu @ Feb 7 2010, 12:15 AM) *
I believe all illness is psychosomatic. Change your thoughts, change your life.

As a side not: If there was such a thing as a cure, why does it not work for everyone?

You stole my words.
It can't be said any better!

You mind is the greatest influence on your imune system.
If you are mentally ill (bad thoughts, thinking too much about a specific thing ect.. (not talking about any handicap or spasm)) you will get sick more easy.

I have an idea, that rage give your imune a boost.
I rarely get sick, which means I haven't been sick for about 4 or 5 years.

And I have had alot of rage inside.
I still have some because of personal matters, but the message is, that I think rage gives a boost to your imune system.

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Regards!
kronictokr
QUOTE (LaoTzu @ Feb 6 2010, 03:15 PM) *
I believe all illness is psychosomatic. Change your thoughts, change your life.

As a side not: If there was such a thing as a cure, why does it not work for everyone?

i agree a healthy mind gives a greater chance at better health.

as far as cure goes, for example, if cancer cells were proven to be killed by a simple herb, or ingredient within it. i would consider that a cure.

i think rage increases certain energies that help your body, to a lesser degree exercise would do the same thing, maybe video games for others.
but do however believe its a bad thing in excess, as with stress, possibly causing diseases like cancerous tumours.
but i have rage issues myself at times, and havent been sick for a long time, i may feel symptoms of a 4 day flu going around, but theyre usually gone within hrs. i do eat very healthy as well , but i do smoke, smoke pot, and drink my fair share too, meh
balance is key, words im still trying to learn


im also curious to see if anyone knows anything about stem cells and the research being done on them. i know there is a push at saving the ones found in abilical cords, even as far as comercials on tv
Niantic
QUOTE (kronictokr @ Feb 7 2010, 12:37 AM) *
i think rage increases certain energies that help your body, to a lesser degree exercise would do the same thing, maybe video games for others.
but do however believe its a bad thing in excess, as with stress, possibly causing diseases like cancerous tumours.
but i have rage issues myself at times, and havent been sick for a long time, i may feel symptoms of a 4 day flu going around, but theyre usually gone within hrs. i do eat very healthy as well , but i do smoke, smoke pot, and drink my fair share too, meh
balance is key, words im still trying to learn

Some people say that if you eat healthy it will increase the imune as well.
But I don't believe that goes for every person. If you look at me, you will think I starve myself or eat very healthy. Maybe Do alot of sport.
But none of that is true.

I eat very unhealthy, vegetables is something you feed to your dog (if he/she want to eat it rofl 2.gif ) And I eat very much!
Sport, well I have done some in my early days, but it's 10, almost 11 years ago.

I don't know how I do it, I think I use alot of energy on doing nothing. rofl 2.gif

But I think that:
When you get a kick (adrenaline) in a way, it boosts the imune.
It can be caused by rage, anger, irritation (from a video game or something else like it), hate, ect.

Now we can ask ourselves, is this the only thing that will boost it?
- No, I don't think so.
Being happy also has a major influence on us.

Do you think it's possible to be happy, and have rage/anger inside at the same time?
that might do the trick and let us stay more healthy than most people can only dream about.

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Regards!
Hashishin666
QUOTE (LaoTzu @ Feb 6 2010, 11:15 PM) *
I believe all illness is psychosomatic. Change your thoughts, change your life.

No offence, but I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. Go and visit a cancer ward.
nisakiman
^^^
Totally agree with Hash there. You ever had malaria Lao? Nothing psychsomatic about that. It hits you like a sledgehammer.

And as for cancer, it doesn't just hit older people with a negative outlook on life. Years ago a friend of mine, a young, bubbly intelligent girl with everything to live for died of stomach cancer. No amount of thought changing would have averted her untimely demise.
Niantic
QUOTE (Hashishin666 @ Feb 7 2010, 12:26 PM) *
No offence, but I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. Go and visit a cancer ward.

Maybe they have had some things to think alot about, which has damaged their psycological ability.
We can't tell, so untill we (the mankind) can, nothing is ridiculous.
It's a possibility. Actually everything is a possibility since noone can tell us why we get sick.

All they can say is our imune system is damaged somehow. And that might be caused by our mental state. smile3.gif

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Regards!
Hashishin666
Whether a positive mental outlook affects the immune system or not I can't say. I'm only saying that claiming ALL illnesses are psychosomatic is a ridiculous notion.
twoplus
QUOTE (Hashishin666 @ Feb 7 2010, 11:26 AM) *
No offence, but I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. Go and visit a cancer ward.


Exactly, it was a stupid, Insensitive statement to make.

I truly hope, that in you're personal life, you never come to regret holding such offensive views.
Niantic
QUOTE (Hashishin666 @ Feb 7 2010, 04:32 PM) *
Whether a positive mental outlook affects the immune system or not I can't say. I'm only saying that claiming ALL illnesses are psychosomatic is a ridiculous notion.

I totally agree with that!
Of course it's not all illnesses that is psychosomatic.

I just thought you said that it was a ridiculous view that it has an influence. smile3.gif

My bad! drinks.gif

Regards!
kronictokr
ok, i agree that not all illness if many are actually caused by a bad mental state. i do believe that a positive mind state would help the body fight or heal whatever the illness may be.

its sunday , hell smoke a fatty, chill, and take it all in. thats downright medicinal in my book, at least as far as mental decompression goes. mind you there may not be much to decompress :P
rabnbeinn
Found this (and his other clips) while researching hemp, he's claiming that hemp oil can cure numerous ailments. And as cannibas cant be patented I can see why the big pharmacuitical companies aren't interested in developing or looking into this!!
No patent = No profit.

I am open minded on this subject and will leave it up to yourselves to decide! The link I've put up is the full 58 min version but if you want there are shorter clips.

Hemp oil treatment by Chrychek

st4lk3r
QUOTE (Hashishin666 @ Feb 7 2010, 02:26 PM) *
No offence, but I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. Go and visit a cancer ward.


No i have to agree with LaoTzu, If your mind believes in something it brings it to the foreground. I.e if you believe that your life has no meaning then you will act accordingly and sooner or later it wont. On the other hand thinking positively could make you more of a risk-taker and achiever (In the sense the more you do the more you might achieve)...thus giving your life meaning...

And to add to what rabnbeinn was saying about "No patent = no Profit" heres a linky that pretty much agrees with that statement.
A cure to bacteria is being researched but since it cant be patented, american pharmaceutical companies arent even looking into it...
Affinity
QUOTE (LaoTzu @ Feb 6 2010, 06:15 PM) *
I believe all illness is psychosomatic. Change your thoughts, change your life.

As a side not: If there was such a thing as a cure, why does it not work for everyone?


I, and probably the entire medical and scientific community, would disagree with you on that. This is a dangerous line of thought to have, especially if it encourages you to not seek medical help when you need it.
LaoTzu
QUOTE (Affinity @ Aug 20 2010, 09:17 AM) *
I, and probably the entire medical and scientific community, would disagree with you on that. This is a dangerous line of thought to have, especially if it encourages you to not seek medical help when you need it.


The medical industry has a 100% fatality rate. Either way, you end up dead. Go look up Morris Goodman, the Miracle Man. Science is great. Hell, I'm an engineer, but science still can't explain everything. It will in time, but not yet. The mind is more powerful than you think.
Trelathon
I'd like to see your medical records, LaoTzu, yours too kronictokr. How old are you? No serious illness in your life......? No minor operations, or chest infections. No colds or coughs? You must be the healthiest persons in the world. good.gif You'll have to excuse me, I just don't credit your Good health to "Change your thoughts, change your life"policy. Your holding out on us, aren't you....you've found the "Fountain Of Youth", don't lie now.


Affinity, I have to agree with you on this point. The avenue of positive thought, in your day to day life, may make you feel good inside..the old expression "A smile a day, keeps the doctor away" but it won't cure you, if you have cancer....I know, I have lost a Father and cousin to the desease, so don't preach to me about positive thought..It's just bunk, and you should be ashamed of youselves, for selling this bogus idea.
wackenhut
QUOTE (LaoTzu @ Aug 20 2010, 10:03 PM) *
The medical industry has a 100% fatality rate. Either way, you end up dead. Go look up Morris Goodman, the Miracle Man. Science is great. Hell, I'm an engineer , but science still can't explain everything. It will in time, but not yet. The mind is more powerful than you think.



The mind has a bigger influence in recovery then ppl think, that is true, and the mind also is responsible in many cases to make ppl feel worse then their condition / illness should make em feel, thats true aswell. But claiming ALL illness is psychosomatic is plain absurd, its simply not true.
Trelathon
Ah! You mean placebos. They do seem to have some effect, for minor problems, but not for the more serious conditions.
wackenhut
QUOTE (Trelathon @ Aug 21 2010, 02:38 PM) *
Ah! You mean placebos. They do seem to have some effect, for minor problems, but not for the more serious conditions.


No i dont mean placebos. I mean the mind itself, call it the power of positive thinking or summin. There is way more to getting better then just the right meds. The mind is the most underestimated and undervalued tool for recovery of illnesses.
Affinity
QUOTE (wackenhut @ Aug 21 2010, 09:41 AM) *
No i dont mean placebos. I mean the mind itself, call it the power of positive thinking or summin. There is way more to getting better then just the right meds. The mind is the most underestimated and undervalued tool for recovery of illnesses.


I don't think anyone is saying that having a positive outlook is a bad thing, or has no effect on health. We all know that when you feel bad it can become a downward spiral that makes you physically unhealthy (think of the effects of depression). What I am disagreeing with is that positive thinking can miraculously cure diseases or injuries.
GaZa
Mental health issues were once seen as only having a one stop cure - send them away - drug them up - out of society...

As has been stated - positive mental attitude can prevent certain diseases ... yes it can - if the sufferer of depression, anxiety etc.. hasn't already walked the path of their own self-destruction before getting the help they need..

It doesn't have to be medication - it could be down to something as simple as reassurance, mentoring and making a person feel worthwhile.. To get people back on track as such...

I agree that serious medical conditions cannot be prevented by the mind alone - but some conditions are definitely enhanced and exacerbated by the mind...

Back on topic - Amazing

I think this type of treatment is where it's all heading.. And why not..??
LaoTzu
Man regrew finger without stemcells.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body...ular-matrix.htm
wolf_40
very interesting LaoTzu
GaZa
Nice read LT but isn't it basically the same as stem-cell regeneration..??

I have no knowledge of physical medicine but it looks similar... apart from the fact the biological reaction takes place outside of the arena...
LaoTzu
It is a form of regeneration, but it's not the same as stem cells because the compound just reactivates the cells already there and stimulates them to divide and rebuild.

There is thing about children losing fingers: if they are under the age of twelve they will grow back unless the idiot doctor caps them off so they can't regrow. The knowledge is only available in select emergency rooms for some reason. The thing that puzzles me is why the age limit of twelve? I still think it is highly psychosomatic. The Miracle Man, spontaneous remission of cancer, regrowth of digits, etc. I think the current paradigm is holding humanity back. I think nearly everyone has "what-is-itis."
nortons850
I think our state of mine has a lot to do with our physical health. If I have a positive outlook on life I hardly ever get sick. But if I'm depressed and feel low I am more susceptible to catching cold or flu.
I believe the same goes for more ominous diseases such as cancer.
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"Clinical studies have verified the influence of mind-body effect on immunity. Cancer patients who participated in support groups, where they talked over their feelings and the problems they're facing, experienced a strengthening of some aspects of immune response, and overall had a better rate of recovery. "


holisticonline.com

Which if you think about is not fair. You get depressed and you become more susceptible to disease. To quote the 13th Warrior: "Oh fie! Make it worse"
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Cami
QUOTE (LaoTzu @ Feb 6 2010, 07:15 PM) *
I believe all illness is psychosomatic. Change your thoughts, change your life.

As a side not: If there was such a thing as a cure, why does it not work for everyone?



I also believe the mind is a powerful instrument to help cure things but to say All illness is psychomatic is nonsense in my opinion........tell this to a parent as they watch their baby die of some rare illness or a young child who never even heard of the word cancer fight as long as they can before they die. Tell them it's was all in their mind? They brought it all on themselves? Are you friggin serious?
LaoTzu
QUOTE (Cami @ Aug 25 2010, 08:44 PM) *
They brought it all on themselves? Are you friggin serious?


Yes, I am, but that is my understanding, not yours. I have had a personal experience with this. I cannot impart that experience to you. You might or might not come to that understanding. It is not in my control.
cozmic
You are a very strong minded person LT, and I hope that this never changes for you personally.

My mother died of a brain tumour, this was not brought about by her 'thinking bad thoughts about herself' or whatever you want to call it. It was caused by my father's violence towards her. She did not ask for, nor did she deserve the treatment that she received by his hand. Sometimes external influences causes the illness, but to say that a tiny baby is responsible for its own illness is very wrong. Children are born into this world as innocents. When inside the womb, they are not able to form such thoughts, In my opinion. I may be wrong, they may spend the whole time when their brains are formed thinking about how they are going to die. Although I rather doubt it. Human nature being what it is, will fight to live, whatever it is presented with.

In my opinion, the human brain is a very powerful and complex organ, very underused. It can have an effect on the body, but I really don't think that it is responsible for the illnesses that befall the body. After all the brain would rather have a healthy body so that it survives for as long as possible.

Just my thoughts on this subject. smile3.gif
kronictokr
i believe the human mind does hold the power to trigger , or help the immune system fight a little harder. i do not believe it is fully responsible for causing illness in anyone at any age. and in most case, not at all.
random illness is just that. and what happens to those that it occurs to is not fair in any way, it is an unfortunate occurance in life, that we all could have done without.
i lost an uncle to brain tumours, i know that he tried to keep a positive face for his family and friends, but in the end i think he knew he was going to die. he knew when it was time to stop fighting. so neither he nor his family would suffer more than they had to. a broken leg, guarantee a positive mind will heal it faster. but brain tumours and other fatal , or mostly fatal diseases are often stronger than most minds and medicine. unfortunate, but true

edit, adding links

cancer, is it mostly the cause of human made chemicals and by products?!
man made cancer

A change of mind: One protein appears to control neurons' ability to react to new experiences

Discovery Health "How could an 'anti-aging molecule' work?"

stem cells from your own body, could repair your old or broken organs, stoping the need for transplants, and taking out the rejection factor of organs from other people, out of the equation...

The virtues of infectious disease - Winnipeg Free Press


food for thought
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