Pädophiler Pfarrer in Ratzingers Bistum
Pope's diocese 'rehoused abuser'

A German newspaper (Süddeutsche Zeitung) has had access to files that show pope Benedict XVI (Joseph Ratzinger), when he was an archbishop in 1980, let a known child-abusing priest be reassigned to his archdiocese so that the priest could go in therapy -- however, the priest just continued abusing minors and was later convicted for that. (the priest, identified as Father H., still works as such in Bavaria to this day).

The archdiocese has confirmed this is true but there is a twist to the story: Archbishop Ratzinger's then righthand man, vicar-general Gerhard Gruber is trying to take full responsibility for this case and claims the archbishop was never aware of any of this:

QUOTE

Speaking to the Associated Press, Gruber added: "You have to know that we had some 1,000 priests in the diocese at the time.

"The cardinal [Joseph Ratzinger] could not deal with everything, he had to rely on his vicar-general [deputy]."

This is the latest shock in a string of revelations concerning abusive priests in Germany -- the pope's priest brother, Georg Ratzinger, has also been accused of knowing about abuse at the Regensburger Domspatzen choir where he was conductor. He has denied the allegations and is willing to aid the investigation.

I guess it's well documented by now, that the catholic church had a system of relocation for shielding priests that were found to be abusive. With several scandals coming to light in Germany (and Holland) these past few weeks, I'm wondering if we could see a Pope being forced to abdicate the Holy Chair.

I'm willing to accept that that vicar-general handled the relocation of the abusive priest, as we know there was a systematic approach to that sort of thing, but I find it hard to swallow that he wouldn't have conferred with his superior about the priest's immediate relapse to abusing minors. Just the smallest of lies could prove fatal in these types of cases so this story could easily snowball even bigger.

Hi ADL...I have no Doubt in my Mind that this is just the tip of a very large Iceberg and its not a matter of if it starts to snowball but when..
There has been a really long history of abuse on young Boys and Girls at the hands of Clerics.. Wiki Thousands upon thousands of them...

I really think its time that we MADE the church stand up and face the Truth about what some of their members and high officers are up to and allow the full weight of the law to prevail in these cases ,not just have them brushed under the vestry...
If we cannot trust in the church with our childrens safety who can we trust?..

i totally agree with knightron on this but i cant see the church doin a damn thing about it...all they will do is preach how the bible says u should forgive....dunno how the hell anyone can forgive something like that though its just sickening

i think they should practice what they preach. and they should be subject to the full extent of the law as anyone else. put em in general population in a prison for their crimes, and im sure they will learn the full meaning and the wrong, that they themselves comited

A similar case in Ireland (which involved abused children being made to sign 'vows of silence') has resulted in the Pope writing a letter to the Catholics of that country, which supposedly will contain "guidelines on preventing and punishing sexual abuse of children by priests."
The text of the letter will be published by The Vatican tommorow, and I'm sure it will condem such behavior ...however I'm sure it will NOT contain any sort of apology for the systematic failings and active cover-ups prevalent in the Catholic Church, nor will it outline any changes to the system that has developed a hierarchical structure of blindly loyal church officials that allow such travesties to occur in the first place.

The Catholic Church is a massive organisation with huge amounts of wealth and political influence in a great many countries around the world, so I can't really foresee them letting anything as destabilizing as an admission of culpability from the 'top guy' occur.

I'm afraid that The Pope will stay on, and his organization will continue peddling their stinking hypocrisy for their own benefit...just as it has been for many hundreds of years.

As a side note, as I recall, according to St. Malachy, this is the second last pope. Just a thought.

Cant see much being done about it so I'll just have to wait and hope they all burn in hell.

Cheerz -- that was an interesting read on Wikipedia: Prophecy of the Popes

What he wrote about the last pope, Petrus Romanus:

The pope is almost certainly as guilty of paedophilia and the abuse of children as the rest of those he's guilty of trying to cover up, of course this cannot be said for certain at this time.. though it will no doubt become painfully transparent in the future

This man is also guilty of (amongst other things)
1. opposing the distribution of condoms and so increasing large families in poor countries and the spread of AIDS
2. promoting segregated education
3. denying abortion to even the most vulnerable women
4. opposing equal rights for lesbians, gay, bisexual and transgender people
5. failing to address the many cases of abuse of children within its own organisation.
6. rehabilitating the holocaust denier bishop Richard Williamson and the appeaser of Hitler, the war-time Pope, Pius XII.
7. Actively resisted the signing of many major human rights treaties, and has formed its own treaties (‘concordats’) with many states which negatively affect the human rights of citizens of those states.
-source



This twisted, evil, religious zealot (in my opinion) has been invited to the UK (at the tax payers expense) in September, to be given the proper recognition and honour as any other head of state. There are many who disagree with both this visit and his obnoxious lies and words of hate and with his disgusting collusion with the sexual abuse of children etc and so are preparing to stage a number of demonstrations and actions against his visit, the first of which is on 28th March outside Westminster Cathedral @ 2pm.
All welcome !

maaan i'm sure this is an in-ter-rest-in topic but for now i cant read everything.

in short....no i doubt the pope will b forced to leave bcuz of the scandal goin on . the catholic church has more secrets than the usa government. and did u hear wat waz in the letter that he is sorry etc but he does not blieve the church rules on celebacy had anythin to do wit wat was/is happenin.

i mean come on the church killed so many people already bak in the old days and yet look where they are today.

when u hav power u can make things go away witout it becomin too much of an issue.

"You have suffered grievously and I am truly sorry,"

"I openly express the shame and remorse that we all feel"

"I can only share in the dismay and sense of betrayal that so many of you have experienced on learning of these sinful and criminal acts,"

Some of the things said in the Pope's apology letter. Is it enough?

Documented cover-ups by means of private settlements with victims and confidentiality agreements indicates to me that the Church was more interested in damage control than actually addressing a well known problem for years.

There has been no disciplinary action against the 28 Bishops in Ireland.

There is still no discussion around whether the celibacy of Priests is the underlying reason for the high incidence of molestation.

I find myself wondering how far a Church can drift from its God, its scriptures and the ideals and morals it preaches without losing its credibility and congregations. It truly is a sad and sorry state of affairs.

Apparently, attacking the Catholic Church for covering up systematic child-abuse is comparable to anti-semitism, according to the Pope's 'personal preacher' (source)




Just when one thinks the bare-faced effrontery of these people can plumb no lower depths etc .....

(on a side-note, why would 'God's Representative On Earth' need a personal preacher....)

Why have no criminal charges been brough against these Perverts? Any layman/woman would have been in custody and had the living daylights kicked out of them with in 1 hour of the allegation..It just proves how Far reaching the church powers have gone where they are litarally untouchable for these dispicable Crimes.
The anti semetic referances are, I`m sure just a way of trying to take the onus from the questions being asked about the Abuse cases and it seems to be working very well,Already the headlines have changed from Clerics systematically abusing Children.... to the Headline about anti-semetism....

I suspect that's putting it mildly.

I'm not sure if this is some kind of warped spin control attempting to convince people the the Catholic Church is the victim in all of this or if these fools are so far out of touch with reality that they genuinely believe they're the victims.

I'm speechless. I await the backlash with great interest.

"A senior cardinal has said the Roman Catholic faithful will not be swayed by "petty gossip" about child sex-abuse allegations" and the pope said "humanity was suffering from a "profound crisis" and needed "spiritual and moral conversion".(more here)

Petty gossip? Moral conversion?? What a load of f****** BS ;grrr:


Its time this ex(?) nazi and his cohorts were removed and locked away post haste, they are not above the law

What I find Incredible about this ,is that they truely believe that its a civil offence when we all know that abuse of any kind especially against children and Minors is criminal and will be persued through the criminal courts.Thats if anyone in the criminal Justice system Grows a pair and starts to prosecute these Paedophiles..

We know that the Catholic Church itself feels it's being persecuted over this issue but I would be very interested to hear what the views of the practicing Catholics in the general public would be on this and how they feel on the contradictions of the actions of their church and its preachings as well as how, as a believer in Catholicism, you can reconcile this difference on a religious and moral level.

i was going to type what i really thought about this subject but decided that if i did i would probably be banned because my thoughts on it would go against the rules but NO NOTHING WILL BE DONE, why start now, they have taken no action against the paedophile clergy for hundreds of years, and in my opinion, apology or not, not a single thing will change, sad though that is

just my basic thoughts...

Apparently, Richard Dawkins will attempt to have The Pope arrested when he lands in the U.K for a state visit later this year (link)
I'm not a particular fan of Dawkins, however I would genuinely like to see some sort of 'ruckus' when the world is watching (rather than the usual circus of bulllshit and "oooh, look at my big pointy hat and all my bling, I'm so bloody Holy"etc, as the degenerate old fool and his cronies arrive)

Pope hits out over Belgium raids

To me, those raids totally reek of a Vatican setup: apart from some temporary bad PR of seeing their bishops held for interrogation for a few hours, which the Pope can now bend back in his own favour by crying foul over it, everything else about this raid has helped the Vatican: the investigative commission is no longer in charge and won't be trusted again, and all the victims have been well intimidated as their trust has been severely violated. The 475 cases have now also been split up and distributed amongst the local justice departments -- no more patterns discernible if a priest/bishop/cardinal/... was moved around as we know was the Vatican's system.

The tip that lead to this raid allegedly came from a "solid source" within or close the commission (allegedly). Yet nothing was found in the very specific spots that were hinted, including a former cardinal's grave which was broken open by police. It couldn't have worked out any better for the Vatican, and that just doesn't add up in my mind.

Quote is taken from ADL's Linky...


Guaranteeing the clerics ability to sexually interfere with childeren seems to be the only thing these people are worried about!
As for the Search.....I said in another thread," we need to be looking at was "not" found that should have been".It is a very common thing to do by the General public to see that "an investigation has found nothing" when the real question should be what were they looking for in the first place? and what exactly "did`nt they find"?...But of course we the public will never be allowed to find out ..its a very frustrating thing to see. .I really feel for the victims of these evil Clerics who are getting away with what would normally be seen as one of the most heinus crimes possible to be committed!..

Does anyone else think the Pope's recent rather vague & pathetic attempt to appear 'progressive' on contraception is anything more than paying lip-service (due to the Catholic Church receiving such a lot of bad publicity recently)?

(gives me an excuse to post this pic, courtesy of Private Eye magazine )

I always thought they avoided accepting condoms against all sane reasoning for the same reason any gang/religion has painful initiation and ongoing allegiance requirements. A group who suffers a common pain and makes common commitments binds together tighter as a group and stays loyal. It works for religions same as it works for street gangs.

Even the sex scandals would serve to make hard core Catholics close ranks and become tighter bound to their church. Maybe the Pope was worried about being associated primarily with the sexual deviance's of his clergy after his time in office.

This whole debacle and the reaction/lack of action of the Catholic authorities still makes me sick to my stomach.

Now what has always amazed me about the Pope is that he is able to comment on sexual issues when he has (supposedly) no experience of it.. we are talking about a guy who has Millions and millions of people following him and take his word as Law..(God knows why. ) < How has it become such a media frenzy because at last a human being likening himself to "God" has realized that unprotected Sex can be very dangerous and has been proved to be a killer.?
here's a question for you..If its against "God's" law ( I believe that's the case in the Catholic church ) to have sex before marriage how can a Catholic Pope who's followers "Don't do that sort of thing" comment on it?..
I suppose its their way of protecting their priests from "catching" anything from the Young children they are abusing on a daily basis

p.s. Great Pic S-N..


Linky

The thing is knightron, he's not commenting on sexual issues, he's commenting on doctrinal issues. The STD aspect is really of no interest to him; what he's agonising about is the issue (pun intended) of bringing millions more Catholics into the world. Legitimising condoms would have a severely curtailing effect on that.

I don't have any figures on this but I'm guessing if you offset the millions of Catholics dying prematurely of HIV against the extra Catholics born because the use of condoms is taboo you might break somewhere close to even.

Now that's a point I hadn't considered! Perhaps he's more aware than I give him credit for!

The Catholic Church also released a pamphlet of something on implications of extraterrestrial life a couple of years back.

What I don't understand is why so many people put so much energy into just one man. He's a figure head and no different than you or I.

I beg to differ, I am nothing like the pope in mind or body I can assure you.

I was making the point that he is just a human being and is not special in any way, whatsoever. And he is by no means the "Voice of God." But, Badog, you can be special if you want to be.

The average Darksider is a darn sight more special then the Pope, believe me

I would say that the Catholic Church's apparent policy of ensuring that impoverished people are kept in a state of desperation bought about by being ravaged by terrible disease serves them perfectly well when it comes to peddling their propoganda of 'salvation' etc

I'll Drink to that one S-N..