This is an Alert to any people in the good o'l USA (supposed land of the free and home of the brave)

Congress is proposing a tighter grip by the government on the Internet, with a new "Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act of 2010" that would, among other things, give the president a "kill switch" on the Web, critics charge. The proposal essentially would require broadband providers, search engines and software firms to "immediately comply with any emergency measure or action developed" within the Department of Homeland Security. Judicial Watch said the alarming plan would give the government the power to force private companies to participate in "information sharing" with the government and allow authorities to monitor the "security status" of private websites and others.

http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/06...ries-net-users/

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=168029

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20007418-38.html

This doesn't surprise me Crash as far as government and big business are concerned the internet is not in their control and their going to try and control it more and more

I quote:

Who owns the Internet? Until recently, nobody. That's because, although the
Internet was Made in the U.S.A., its unique design transformed it into a
resource for innovation that anyone in the world could use. Today, however,
courts and corporations are attempting to wall off portions of cyberspace. In
so doing, they are destroying the Internets potential to foster democracy and
economic growth worldwide. | By Lawrence Lessig

I can see in the event of a national emergency, but how often does that happen.

The more they tighten their grip, the more their power slips through their fingers.

Its impossible to completely shut down the transmission of information between computers now.

A few examples, encrypted pc to pc telephone calls with with teleconferencing, yes they can monitor for that kind of activity and disconnect the calls but then people would just use a new protocol and on and on. So they would have to eventually end all telephone connections.

Then let us not forget that a wifi card is a radio transceiver that could be tweaked to use frequencies with a much further distance capability such as FM or shortwave. Plenty of people around with the skills to do that and build a signal amplifier like what is used often with CB. Look at the black market for satellite tv cards.

People already hack cable to steal cable programing, it is possible to use a hacked box to access internet on a cable line with out a subscription to the internet. Piggy backing on some one elses account like stealing wifi but they could be miles away and no way to trace it back. Ive seen buildings where 20 apartments were using 2 cable accounts. Then there is the possibility of just transmitting a signal threw the wire that has nothing to do with the cable company just stealing their wires.

Some places they use the electrical lines to Transmit tv, I can not imagine there is a reason this technology could not be exploited to set up illegal networks to the out side as well.

The monitoring I can see happening but to completely cut it off for any length of time would not make the corporate world happy at all.

If they monitor, it will be key areas of the net using some kind of trigger because the technology to monitor all traffic that passes threw the US does not exist. Work a rounds and methods to hide will develop just as they do now. For instance flooding connections with trash data, some one writes a plug in for firefox and the next week they can't tell whats real or not and all we would loose would be speed, due to having to process so many trash packets.

Its not like they decided yesterday that this was out of hand. They have been trying to control the internet since the start and can not.

The technical understanding of the people has out paced them. Its the legacy of the computer, most innovation does not come from big corporate behemoths, they just buy up the rights to it. Case in point Apple, Microsoft, and Google all started in some ones garage.

The chances are high that what ever they try, the first person to defeat it will be a 16 year old with a laptop in Government class.

Cutting the fibers seemed to be effective last year in the Red Sea incidents. Anyway, turning off your nationwide grid of informants is about the dumbest thing you can do in wartime, imo.

Balls, I clicked yes on the poll by mistake. Blatantly should be no, so ignore the yes in the poll, no sane person thinks it is a good idea!

Well if thay did do that "I personally would spend about a week modifying some equipment and hooking my computer to my Amateur Radio gear and continuing on as normal Slow but online" in times of disaster amateurs have been there " unless there is an EM Pulse that destroys all solid state junctions then there will be communications. but they want kill it completely there are ways around every thing " IT"S CALLED HACKING" if there's electricity

You can send me one of those over as well Mag lol

So Dav are you an amateur as well?

Nope, but i'd have a bash at putting together some sort of pirate style net connector device thingummy. Couldn't live without the net and DSRG lol

I remember the days of good ol' CB radio - had many a fun afternoon/evening /night with the " good buddies".. If it all goes t**s up - SW ham is the way to go [back to]...

Your right there GAZA coz if the Internet goes down I'd go out to my antennas give all the connections a polish recheck the VSWR and start chatting. The last person I chatted to was actually in Russia quite a few years ago. I have even spoken to the Guys in the Shuttle many years ago. Now that was fun.

http://www.ssrsi.org/sr1/Comms/ham.htm Found this very helpful. Includes several articles on building your own equipment.

Shortwave/ham might be good for getting way out there but limit the amount of data you can transfer but if you are not trying to reach the other side of the world directly, using junk band, a powerful relay system can be set up (think super wifi).
Using the junk band makes it legal (for now) all electrical devices give off a radio signal but the manufactures have to make sure they are on a chunk of bandwidth set aside for this. WiFi uses this junk band. Its not really one band but several different ranges across the spectrum set aside (title 47 part 15). With the proper equipment and amplification we are talking about higher bandwidth than most of us get from DSL/cable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_speed_multimedia
Pay special attention to the custom frequencies section.
Licensed Amateur Operators can operate your basic wifi gear(modified) at much higher amplification. There are loop holes that would also let unlicensed operators to crank up your basic wifi gear. This is US regs but would be about the same else where. Now when it comes down to civil disobedience, well, all that doesn't mean any thing does it.

Codes of Federal Regulation Title 47
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Part_15

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Part_97

You can find most of this info in print at Radio Shack or book stores.

Here is a modem that uses 2.4ghz Ism band with a range of 1.6km
http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/109060...dio_Modems.html.

Radio is my Dads hobby so I grew up around Ham and CB.
This is what I have in my truck with a 12' whip that I keep tethered down unless I need the range. Wanted a NOAA weather radio this is better. http://cobra.com/products//29-WX-NW-BT-wit...less-Technology

Thanks PH8AL - that is well interesting... cheers mate..

Gaza if you really want me to blow your mind here it is.

I keep coming back to junk band or ISM for a reason. 2.4ghz sound familiar to you? Think cordless phone. A dial up modem and a hacked cordless phone base unit and you have your link into a network. Basically you would skip the phone line and substitute the network for the handset. That will give you a max range of 500-1000 feet. wire it to a roof top antenna and boost the signal strength. The phone hack is pretty strait forward and could be passed around on paper. So even if you don't have a wifi router around you can still play on the cheap.

Now add to that a couple of bigger transceivers with the wattage to have range coupled to a few computers running as servers. Now I know what you are going to say, they will triangulate these and shut them down. Right. If they are powerful enough and close enough together it will make them harder to pinpoint and then its just a matter of using the power handling gear you use for putting a bass system in a car with an inverter and boom you're mobile.

By using cordless phone bases it would be the devil for them to catch people that way as there are so many phones and other networks using that band and of coarse this would stomp all over regular 2.4ghz phones but hey it is what it is. Buy a 5.8ghz phone and you would be ok.

Use PPTP and it could even be encrypted.

I know I am over simplifying it, but I think you get the point. This is garage tech and tell me what hacker worth his ... wouldn't want to set up his own internet.

A few dedicated people and you could have a city wide network up in days with just radio. Remember all the other possibilities I suggested like hardwired hacks into the cable, phone, and electrical grids, then there is the wonderful cell network and juiced up bluetooth.

The control of information that Rulers have held in an iron grip since the invention of the spoken word is no longer theirs and they don't like it but damn if they won't have to get with the program.

Like Neo, we are awake now.

hmmm.. red pill - blue pill...

Joking aside - you have divulged some very relevant info PH8AL..

I'm not at all tech minded in the modern way - but I know rigs & antennas..

I think if you could create a dummy guide - it would be invaluable..

If Admin would allow such a diverse thing it would benefit all ... and it's future-proof..

Sure I would be willing to work on the phone base hack. Have to figure out some way to manually tune the base unit like the channel buttons a lot of the older phones had on the handset. You will never get hella range out of them but if you could boost the signal and get the antenna high enough... a tutorial on here would be great but as it is hardware hacking might not be allowed.

Might be worth considering moving all this out of the public eye as well.

Also I am kicking myself, I threw away a box of stuff last year that had 2 56k modems in it. Broke DIY rule #1.

In the end though I am an amateur and I know there are folks with far more skill with radio equipment than me, like to here some of them chime in.

You could post in Demon - diseminate to interested Ghouls and trusted minions & PM any naughty stuff..

[EDIT] actually don't do that - bad idea.. shut up Gaz...

Maybe hiding it is the wrong way to go. I personally don't want any extra attention but disseminating the information across the net as far and fast as we can could actually work to deter them. Youtube how to vids?

Even Wiki....

I will start working out every thing that would be needed for the hardware. What we really need are some people with network and programing skills to figure out the relays and server issues.

Take it for idle talk but I draw the line at an internet kill switch.

I'm pretty sure the issue wll be commented on...

You're the man PH8AL ...

I'd say an internet kill switch would likely result in an armed conflict or civil war the same as another attempt at gold or firearm confiscation.

The old saying is ' the pen is mightier than the sword'...

Modernise it and imho ' the internet is mightier than the gun'...

That may be, but if there is no internet you just went back to the 80's.

I was actually agreeing with you LT... I just took a different aspect to your statement...

This is a typical Darkside example...Someone talks about a kill switch for the internet and already a private internet has been established by our members...Guess there is no way to take Ds down...

Nevertheless why in hell turn of the Internet..Doesn't sound very logical to me.

2 words PH8AL "Packet Radio" http://www.tapr.org/packetradio.html

Mags the only thing wrong with packet radio is the amount of data it can transfer, 1200b/s and it involves some expensive equipment. For personal needs it may work but if the goal is to subvert the governments effort it has to be cheap and simple and well published. Its Legal to broadcast on 2.4ghz up to 4 watts (double checking that), so the people at home with converted routers and phone bases would not be breaking any laws as long as the protocol is published.
Not to mention almost all network routers and wifi cards use low powered 2.4ghz and may not need any more than boosting the power and a bigger antenna to be plug and play. It would be slower because every one would have to relay for the network but you could set this network up with out large illegal transceivers. The amount of devices using 2.4ghz is also a point in its favor since it makes it much harder to pinpoint any one transmission.
Tell your Wii or laptop to search for a wireless signal, if you live in a populated area you will prolly pick up more than 5 all using trusty old 2.4ghz.

AX.25 Amateur Packet-Radio Link-Layer Protocol http://www.tapr.org/pub_ax25.html The TNC is basically doing 2 things handling the packets and turning it into a radio signal. The phone base and router both handle the radio end of it and almost all of us here use software that is very good at sending and receiving digital packets. Firefox was playing with a client built into the browser. Its open source so legal to tweak Firefox into an AX.25 browser.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if we made our own internet?

I only pointed it out as it is already there and there are peps running at 9600 Baud and some at Higher Baud rates, not saying it's fast but would be in contact with other Amateurs around the world so it is a NETWORK of sorts and I would be having fun, I used to be on Packet Radio some time ago and have been thinking of converting it to APRS and run that through the Amateur Satellites and also chat to ppl. And that also locks in with my GPS mapping software too.
http://www.radio-active.net.au/web/gpsaprs/oziaprs.html and yes you do have to HAVE an AMATEUR Radio License to be on air. All good fun.

I wasn't dismissing it mags it will be an important part of a civilian network as will HAM voice stations. The AX.25 protocol is brilliant and would be the smartest choice all around.

I don't know to much about APRS, my Dad has mentioned it but we live so far away now I don't get over to his house much any more to play with his new toys.

The whole philosophy is to make it so that so many people can reconnect after they hit the kill switch that it over whelms their ability to respond to it.

It would appear that civil unrest is the point of wanting to do this, to prevent a nation wide organized resistance is my guess. One of the first things they will take away before the internet will be GPS and satellite communications because GPS is provided by the government and satellite communications are far easier to control.

This is my worry, other than the minutemen on the border and the Tea Party there is not much civil unrest festering in our country right now. No antiwar movement or civil rights movement or even communism. The economy is holding just ahead of population growth so we are actually still doing ok there. So why does the government keep talking about having to prepare for civil unrest? Its not just the Obama Administration, it was a constant theme of Bushco to. They keep secrets from us "for our own benefit" all the time, so what's up that we don't know about?

I know a pro gun liberal is odd but all of my Dem peeps should hear this, it may very well be time to stock up on survival supplies and yes Guns and ammo. If something does happen and the Government looses control of the country, which it will quickly being armed will be a matter of survival. Im not talking about arming yourselves to fight the Government Im talking about the chaos that will happen when food distribution is interrupted and starving people are trying to kill you for your food.

Yes this defiantly is possible however it would cost them an assload to do.
And it's not like they would not do it - they already have complete control of media sources like newspapers and television, the internet is just the next logical step.

This is completely possible and likely as the last blantant excuse to throw someone in jail without anyone questioning anything is cp.
It's been done many times by many branches of government and just got done watching a special on how J Edgar Hoover used these methods against black organizations with counter intelligence against our own citizens.
This will most likely be done quietly as many efforts are already going forward with documenting internet traffic, what you drive, where you work, to whom you are married and where you live in an effort to control you should the need arise.

This is not unfounded B.S. - it's observation.

Every effort should be made to keep the internet as accessible and out of unified control as possible.
This is a simple fight against authority on a whole, it's been happening for 400+ years.

If there's a way for me to assist to keep our internet, our opinions and information free I will do it. As long as it does not affect my ability to live.
And unfortunately for most of us in the USA - we are completely screwed if someone decides to sue us. No one has the money to defend themselves against the Feds.
The only hope is that I am guilty of the same small crime that millions upon millions of us are and cross my fingers that I do not get plucked out of the flock.

tl;dr: keep trap shut & seed whenever possible.

http://nuke.freenet-antennas.com.au/ this site has all you need for exactly what you want as there is already a system like what you are suggesting and it uses wireless modems to doe it. And my eldest was going to hook into it but studies at time prevented it. But he's not worried about it at moment. Now you don't need a License for this one.

Mags nice, see I knew it was to easy for some one else to not have thought of it.


boredatwurk that's the spirit, when you know you are screwed and still choose to fight!

Yeh go for it everybody and expand it it.
Is this not called the Purple Circle " A group within the Group."

So much for the kill switch ,right guys?

it can be done and most likely will be done, however until it's done I need over 9000 files to push up to a darknet.

course with usb 3.0 and network improvements are going to make a 2 hour transfer go down to 7.2 seconds they have an uphill battle.

It's interesting to note that NASA does not put killswitches into their explorer robots, as there's always a chance that it may get flipped accidentally. Even if you have a killswitch, I think it would create more uncertainty than it is intended to prevent as it would definitely be a hugely unpopular measure.

From what I can read into it this is about the War Powers of the President. If the Government does something to incite a rebellion they need to be able to control Nation wide communications. HAM radio sites are easy for our military to find and interstate phone calls can be easily cut. The internet is out of their control, millions of Americans flaunt the law on the internet daily. It would be the only means of real time communications for an opposition.

People that have never traveled here can loose sight of the fact that Bangor Maine to Seattle Washington is 3000 miles and averages 1500 miles North to South not including Alaska and Hawaii. If they can take away our ability to communicate they break an unified resistance into smaller pockets that can be handled far more easily.

Think about the power it gives them, once they have it as an option. I know for a fact Bush tried to do it during Katrina and after 9/11 when he Suspended Habeas Corpus. Human Nature is what it is, every time they do it, it would be a little easier to come up with reasons to.

Not to mention many people in the US move around like I have and we would not be able to contact our families in a crisis. My family is spread out over half the continent in 12 states and 4 countries. I don't call my family we skype and if we have a lot of pics or family vids to send we don't mail them we use torents, we have our own private website set up 10 years ago that has become a mini Facebook with 200+ members.

No, it come down to they must understand we are not going to give this up. Not even for "Our Own Benefit".

Wouldn't it seem to go against the original reasons for implementing the internet? To my understanding the government support for the internet was to have a communications network that couldn't be taken down. During the cold war they felt the need to have some network impervious to a nuclear strike, and the concept of the internet fit that bill, even if a nuclear strike took out 75% of the country the other 25% would still have communications, as apposed to the phone system that could be taken down with a few strategic strikes. So it would seem to be silly from a defense stand point to build in a way to completely take out your own communications. Under what scenario is communication a bad thing?

Most United States don't know this, but the US has been under the control of the Emergency and War Powers Act since 1933. Essentially, they can do whatever the hell they want. What I find ironic is that the courts are technically supposed to be closed and is a valid defense against any legal incursion.

Do you remember that the Internet uses the phone lines and optics and Coaxial "so knock out the phone exchange and by by internet ," that's normally were the DSLAMs are.

The internet however uses nodes that sprawl out to other nodes that sprawl out to other nodes, and on and on.
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This is very simplified, but it makes the point - you could take out any 1 or 2 nodes on this map and the remainder of the network would still be able to communicate.

Yes the internet uses the phone lines, it also uses underground dedicated fiber optics, preexisting fiber optics, cable, satellite, Radio, basically any form of sending a signal from one point to another has been incorporated now.

So just removing the phone lines won't completely take down the internet, and like wise with the other forms of transmission. The only way to completely kill the internet is to kill all the forms of signal transmission it uses, which would also kill all preexisting forms of communication. At this point you can't kill the internet and go back to the 80's, it would be more like going back to the 30's. Nothing but low power radio could survive, or the internet wouldn't be completely dead.

Was basically saying that if for example they destroyed my exchange it would kill a large area as it is a main one in the area, there goes my internet and the fibre links as well because they also go there and all the DSLAMS are there as well for all the ISP providers "Telsra. Optus, iinet etc " Ok one dead cell but thousands of ppl tearing there hair out.

True. Taking out a single node could could effectivly cut off thousands from the internet, but in the overall picture it would be but a blip on the internet map. But I see what your saying Mags. If your one of the ones without access, you really don't care how many others still have it.

I'd just have to go wireless then, plug that stick in the USB and pay for online wait 2 hrs then off I go "so long as they don't take down the tower close by."

That kind of goes towards making the point I stated earlier. There are so many different ways used to communicate now that it would be almost impossible to completely take down the internet.