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Widescreen or Fullscreen?

I’ve seen too many encodes that have made a mess of this AR. This article has been written in the belief that more and more uploaders will want to pay attention to how their videos look.

At the outset I must emphasize that, biologically, man’s vision is widescreen:



In videology, these ‘widescreen’ and ‘fullscreen’ terms refer to the dimensions of a video picture vis-à-vis the viewing area of an ordinary television screen.

Full-screen means a picture which fills the screen of an ordinary television set having width:height ratio of 4:3 (i.e., 1.33:1, or, conventionally, 1.33).

Widescreen means a picture that is wider than the height by a factor greater than 1.33. It can be 1.37 (like some old B/W films) or 2.40 (e.g., Star Wars - the Phantom Menace). Sometimes this widescreen aspect ratio is generically referred to as 16:9, although the actual proportion may be different. Thus a film with 1.37:1 AR and a film with 2.40:1 AR are both referred to as widescreen or 16:9. The three most-encountered 16:9 (widescreen) resolutions are 1.37, 1.78 and 2.35.

DVD resolution is typically 780:480 (or 780x480 if you so prefer), which corresponds to 1.15:1, even if the movie is a 2.35 AR film. If you were to view the film in this AR of 780x480, you will see a horizontally compressed picture like this:



But when you watch the film in your DVD player, what you see is this:



How is this done? The DVD’s official resolution restricts the movie to a 1.15:1 AR, so it is in the VOBs in a compressed form. The VOB contains a DAR (display aspect ratio) flag, which tells the software in your movie player the actual AR in which to resize the movie. All this, of course, happens without your getting involved in it. Science makes life easier. (And unstable, too, if you remember 9/11).

What happens in a TV? If the dimensions of a DVD-video were to be compared to an ordinary TV screen, it would look somewhat like this:



I have seen some Hong Kong imports (typically the ones churned out by bootleggers) which encode widescreen movies in full-screen for the majority with ordinary TV sets and no idea of AR. Indeed, I’ve seen people watch this monstrosity with relish:



There’s another monstrosity which is, alas, prevalent among otherwise sane individuals who actually spot and keep away from a laterally compressed picture, but succumb to this monstrosity which results from:

1. Keeping the picture proportions intact
2. filling the height of the ordinary TV screen

These two things can be achieved only by

3. Cutting away portions of the picture from the sides:



Those otherwise sane people do this only for the sake of a “bigger” picture because:

1. it is FULL-screen, and not HALF-screen as many of them express it
2. the characters are indeed bigger than the widescreen version
3. the missing parts don’t evoke the sense of loss, because to many what isn’t seen doesn’t exist.

In a variant of this “enlarge-and-crop-and fit”, we have a sub-monstrosity, called Pan and Scan. In this, the cutting camera moves with the main character who stays fully visible al all times, and others are cropped out unceremoniously:



A correctly resized widescreen DVD would look like this, and the characters would indeed look smaller, although much more would be seen around them in comparison with the picture above:



It is, of course, for the individuals to decide what appeals to them, but, other than repeating that man’s natural biological vision is widescreen, there’s only one thing that has to be said in this matter. It is always best to see exactly what the director wants you to see the way he wants you to see. Here’s what Leonard Nimoy has to say on this subject:

When you watch a movie on your television screen, you're not necessarily seeing it the way it was originally intended. As a director, when I set up a shot and say that there are two people in the frame, with the wide screen I can hold both with one person on each end of the frame. When that shot is condensed to fit on your TV tube, you can't hold both [actors]..and the intent of the scene is sometimes changed as a result." - in: Commentary for the Director's Edition of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Movie-buffs always sense that a full-screen movie is, in reality, a widescreen one, even if they have never seen the original version. They fidget, and their mind rebels all the time they are sitting and watching the full-screen movie.

The black horizontal bars that you see above and below the widescreen picture which correctly and entirely fits into your ordinary monitor screen are generated by the software player that you use in your computer. Some will do that always (e.g., Windows Media Player) and some will do that only in full-screen mode (e.g., BSPlayer, or VideoLan Player, the only
non-directshow player worth its salt out there).

4:3 DVD?

Yes, indeed, there are such DVDs. Films which were shot in 4:3 aspect ratio will be made into fullscreen DVDs. Older DVDs of widescreen films used to be made in full-screen with the picture area wide and the rest of the frame filled with some other color (usually black, but I’ve seen a print of My Fair Lady with top and bottom in pink). And then, of course, there are 4:3 DVDs of real widescreen pictures (e.g., The Blue Lagoon), made for a segment of the population who like those enlarged-and-cropped-and-fitted pictures.

Another monstrosity is called “repositioned full-screen”. What is that? It is done with the help of computers, and movies shot digitally (e.g., modern cartoons) are especially good targets for this. It is full-screen, but shows all actors/characters present in the widescreen version by digitally bringing them closer, deleting parts of intervening picture-areas. This here is a shot from original A Bug’s Life:



And this is the repositioned fullscreen version:



Although you can see all the players, nonetheless the ambience planned by the director in the shot gets altered. Some people wouldn’t want it. I know I wouldn’t.

But is widescreen always preferable?

No, not quite. The rule of thumb is: see what the director wants you to see. There are films which are available on DVD in both full- and wide-screen formats, e.g., Total Recall. This film was theatrically released in full-screen. So when a widescreen version was later made available on DVD, it was made by cropping away from the top and the bottom. In this case, therefore, you lose part of the picture by opting for widescreen.

On the other hand, Air Force One was filmed with a process called ‘super 35’, and the theatrical version was released by the director as wide-screen like this:



The picture-area in super-35 frames is bigger, and it requires special equipment to shoot. For the final theatrical release, wide-screen picture areas are cut out by the editor under supervision of the director; those areas may be different in different sequences. As you can see, in the picture above, more were cropped out on bottom than on top.



In this case of Air Force One, you apparently lose part of picture, but that part Mr Wolfgang Petersen never intended you to see.

So, the long and short of this article is:

1. Man’s natural vision is widescreen
2. TV screen is 4:3 or 1.33 (also referred to as full-screen); anything wider is widescreen (also generically referred to as 16:9)
3. It is best to see exactly what the film director wants to show
4. While transcoding a DVD to smaller files (DVD-9 > DVD-5 or DVD > mpeg-4), be especially careful to preserve the original aspect ratio.

I’ve seen too many encodes that have made a mess of this AR. Tin Cup is available as a 4:3 widescreen DVD – the 948.98 MB encode of that movie circulating here has been encoded in 16:9, giving rise to an AVI which looks compressed vertically – it has become wider that the original! Where the uploader went wrong is not cropping the black bars away before applying the AR preference. Many encoders (e.g., VirtualDub, Gordian Knot) let you do that manually, while others (e.g., AutoGK) takes this pain (or pleasure, to some) away by efficiently automating it.

This article has been written in the belief that more and more uploaders will want to pay attention to how their videos look. I’d like to end with a quotation from Jack Lemmon:

With pan and scan, as much as 50 percent of the original picture is lost. It's simple math, folks, something has got to go. And sometimes what is lost is very important. Now how about this scene from 'The Graduate.' Where have you gone Mrs. Robinson? You've been panned and scanned right out of the scene.



Mrs Robinson is right here, although you'll not guess much from the picture above:




Thanks for your patience, and regards.

PsychOPsych
this is a nice article, thank you for the information.

loved the "It is always best to see exactly what the director wants you to see the way he wants you to see" part

hope lots of people "pay attention" in the future...
asayamalaka
one thing to remember, is that movies are an art (combined with a sense of science).

your writeup is simply awesome and covers every part of the topic to pure completion in the fundamental understandings.

it is true that the only proper way to view any movie is in the original AR of the release. 90% of the time, this is widescreen. directors and cinematographers shoot for a 16x9 matte (within a 4x3 frame) and then release the movie in widescreen. the top and bottom parts of the original 4:3 footage is "lost" under the black bars, or in a sense deleted. stanely kubrick's movies, total recall, these are examples of the rare fullscreen exceptions.

the airforce one example is how 99% of widescreen movies are shot for 16mm, super16, 35mm, super35, 70mm, 75mm and broadcast HD. When following actors or action in a complex shot, a common trick in post-production is to "pan&scan" the vertical position of the 16:9 cut-out of the original 4:3 footage. this way, if the shot is followed poorly for a duration (i.e. chopping off an actor's head or giving too much headroom, the frame can be adjusted for the most pleasing or desired look. now apply that same example in a more subtle context, where directors or editors might want to change the position of the 16:9 matte while editing in post-production, for instance like David Lynch will do time to time in his movies, where he will visually distort the framing to add to the dreary, opaque moods of his films (anyone seen his latest, inland empire?)

the original release is what the creator of the movie intended you to see. things are shot with the cameras in a certain way with a certain geographical
layout of objects in a frame. these are crucial (as any cinematographer would argue indefenitately) to parts of the "message" or story of the film. playing a widescreen movie in fullscreen is altering the entire mood of the movie, and changing the way it was envisioned and meant to be seen.
Bonz
Excellent Article!
I have always been a firm believer in Wide Screen. I wouldn't even consider buying a DVD in anything but wide screen unless I couldn't find it at all and had to settle for full screen.

I wouldn't buy Total Recall until I could find a Wide Screen version and come to find out you lost part of the image that was cropped from the top and bottom! All this time I didn't know that!

I learned a lot from this article. I will remain a Wide Screen fan but you have made me think!
Thanks
HAXERS
drinks.gif Well done my friend...nice to see someone take their time to explain something...Thankyou drinks.gif
Schill
Educational and informative.
Fantastic effort and a nicely presented article.
I'm a widescreen fan through and through. I always feel like I'm watching nothing more than a glowing "box" with full screen images.

Well done.

Schill
golferben1955
QUOTE (ukb007 @ Sep 18 2007, 04:46 PM) *
Widescreen or Fullscreen?

I’ve seen too many encodes that have made a mess of this AR. This article has been written in the belief that more and more uploaders will want to pay attention to how their videos look.

At the outset I must emphasize that, biologically, man’s vision is widescreen:



In videology, these ‘widescreen’ and ‘fullscreen’ terms refer to the dimensions of a video picture vis-à-vis the viewing area of an ordinary television screen.

Full-screen means a picture which fills the screen of an ordinary television set having width:height ratio of 4:3 (i.e., 1.33:1, or, conventionally, 1.33).

Widescreen means a picture that is wider than the height by a factor greater than 1.33. It can be 1.37 (like some old B/W films) or 2.40 (e.g., Star Wars - the Phantom Menace). Sometimes this widescreen aspect ratio is generically referred to as 16:9, although the actual proportion may be different. Thus a film with 1.37:1 AR and a film with 2.40:1 AR are both referred to as widescreen or 16:9. The three most-encountered 16:9 (widescreen) resolutions are 1.37, 1.78 and 2.35.

DVD resolution is typically 780:480 (or 780x480 if you so prefer), which corresponds to 1.15:1, even if the movie is a 2.35 AR film. If you were to view the film in this AR of 780x480, you will see a horizontally compressed picture like this:



But when you watch the film in your DVD player, what you see is this:



How is this done? The DVD’s official resolution restricts the movie to a 1.15:1 AR, so it is in the VOBs in a compressed form. The VOB contains a DAR (display aspect ratio) flag, which tells the software in your movie player the actual AR in which to resize the movie. All this, of course, happens without your getting involved in it. Science makes life easier. (And unstable, too, if you remember 9/11).

What happens in a TV? If the dimensions of a DVD-video were to be compared to an ordinary TV screen, it would look somewhat like this:



I have seen some Hong Kong imports (typically the ones churned out by bootleggers) which encode widescreen movies in full-screen for the majority with ordinary TV sets and no idea of AR. Indeed, I’ve seen people watch this monstrosity with relish:



There’s another monstrosity which is, alas, prevalent among otherwise sane individuals who actually spot and keep away from a laterally compressed picture, but succumb to this monstrosity which results from:

1. Keeping the picture proportions intact
2. filling the height of the ordinary TV screen

These two things can be achieved only by

3. Cutting away portions of the picture from the sides:



Those otherwise sane people do this only for the sake of a “bigger” picture because:

1. it is FULL-screen, and not HALF-screen as many of them express it
2. the characters are indeed bigger than the widescreen version
3. the missing parts don’t evoke the sense of loss, because to many what isn’t seen doesn’t exist.

In a variant of this “enlarge-and-crop-and fit”, we have a sub-monstrosity, called Pan and Scan. In this, the cutting camera moves with the main character who stays fully visible al all times, and others are cropped out unceremoniously:



A correctly resized widescreen DVD would look like this, and the characters would indeed look smaller, although much more would be seen around them in comparison with the picture above:



It is, of course, for the individuals to decide what appeals to them, but, other than repeating that man’s natural biological vision is widescreen, there’s only one thing that has to be said in this matter. It is always best to see exactly what the director wants you to see the way he wants you to see. Here’s what Leonard Nimoy has to say on this subject:

When you watch a movie on your television screen, you're not necessarily seeing it the way it was originally intended. As a director, when I set up a shot and say that there are two people in the frame, with the wide screen I can hold both with one person on each end of the frame. When that shot is condensed to fit on your TV tube, you can't hold both [actors]..and the intent of the scene is sometimes changed as a result." - in: Commentary for the Director's Edition of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Movie-buffs always sense that a full-screen movie is, in reality, a widescreen one, even if they have never seen the original version. They fidget, and their mind rebels all the time they are sitting and watching the full-screen movie.

The black horizontal bars that you see above and below the widescreen picture which correctly and entirely fits into your ordinary monitor screen are generated by the software player that you use in your computer. Some will do that always (e.g., Windows Media Player) and some will do that only in full-screen mode (e.g., BSPlayer, or VideoLan Player, the only
non-directshow player worth its salt out there).

4:3 DVD?

Yes, indeed, there are such DVDs. Films which were shot in 4:3 aspect ratio will be made into fullscreen DVDs. Older DVDs of widescreen films used to be made in full-screen with the picture area wide and the rest of the frame filled with some other color (usually black, but I’ve seen a print of My Fair Lady with top and bottom in pink). And then, of course, there are 4:3 DVDs of real widescreen pictures (e.g., The Blue Lagoon), made for a segment of the population who like those enlarged-and-cropped-and-fitted pictures.

Another monstrosity is called “repositioned full-screen”. What is that? It is done with the help of computers, and movies shot digitally (e.g., modern cartoons) are especially good targets for this. It is full-screen, but shows all actors/characters present in the widescreen version by digitally bringing them closer, deleting parts of intervening picture-areas. This here is a shot from original A Bug’s Life:



And this is the repositioned fullscreen version:



Although you can see all the players, nonetheless the ambience planned by the director in the shot gets altered. Some people wouldn’t want it. I know I wouldn’t.

But is widescreen always preferable?

No, not quite. The rule of thumb is: see what the director wants you to see. There are films which are available on DVD in both full- and wide-screen formats, e.g., Total Recall. This film was theatrically released in full-screen. So when a widescreen version was later made available on DVD, it was made by cropping away from the top and the bottom. In this case, therefore, you lose part of the picture by opting for widescreen.

On the other hand, Air Force One was filmed with a process called ‘super 35’, and the theatrical version was released by the director as wide-screen like this:



The picture-area in super-35 frames is bigger, and it requires special equipment to shoot. For the final theatrical release, wide-screen picture areas are cut out by the editor under supervision of the director; those areas may be different in different sequences. As you can see, in the picture above, more were cropped out on bottom than on top.



In this case of Air Force One, you apparently lose part of picture, but that part Mr Wolfgang Petersen never intended you to see.

So, the long and short of this article is:

1. Man’s natural vision is widescreen
2. TV screen is 4:3 or 1.33 (also referred to as full-screen); anything wider is widescreen (also generically referred to as 16:9)
3. It is best to see exactly what the film director wants to show
4. While transcoding a DVD to smaller files (DVD-9 > DVD-5 or DVD > mpeg-4), be especially careful to preserve the original aspect ratio.

I’ve seen too many encodes that have made a mess of this AR. Tin Cup is available as a 4:3 widescreen DVD – the 948.98 MB encode of that movie circulating here has been encoded in 16:9, giving rise to an AVI which looks compressed vertically – it has become wider that the original! Where the uploader went wrong is not cropping the black bars away before applying the AR preference. Many encoders (e.g., VirtualDub, Gordian Knot) let you do that manually, while others (e.g., AutoGK) takes this pain (or pleasure, to some) away by efficiently automating it.

This article has been written in the belief that more and more uploaders will want to pay attention to how their videos look. I’d like to end with a quotation from Jack Lemmon:

With pan and scan, as much as 50 percent of the original picture is lost. It's simple math, folks, something has got to go. And sometimes what is lost is very important. Now how about this scene from 'The Graduate.' Where have you gone Mrs. Robinson? You've been panned and scanned right out of the scene.



Mrs Robinson is right here, although you'll not guess much from the picture above:




Thanks for your patience, and regards.





that is an excellent explanation of widescreen or fullscreen couldnt have done it that well good job i prefer widescreen just like at the movies thanks
slowww
thanks...........
L0G
So in conclusion Widescreen is the way to go lol. Thanks for the info.
WOLViSH
Nice guide.

Small correction, NTSC is 720x480 (not 780), PAL is 720x576.
brincy
Cheers for that, I've always made a huge fuss about aspect ratio, maybe now people will listen....
CherokeeRB

Thanks ukb007 , this is really good stuff !!! biggrin.gif


emjay78
ANother very useful information... thank you very much... cheers!
SA15
Very useful info...

Thanks...
stran93r
Thanks mate! That's good stuff to know!
Silk
Thank you so much. As a woman..I prefer full screen. Now what about if you are both? I think I just had a blond moment!
ukb007
Hi friends:

Thanks for your comments.


And, Hello, Silk:

You wrote,

"Thank you very much. As a woman..I prefer full screen. Now what about if you are both? I think I just had a blond moment!"

Not being an American myself, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. But thank you very much for taking the time to comment.

Regards to you all.
Harb
Wow i just came across this. GREAT info and explanation, i'll use this in the future im sure. Thanks for such a great resource clapping.gif
buccanera
Excellent article. You answered many of the questions I had about these formats.
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