Full Version: Do You Think There Will Be Another American Revolution?
Do you think there will be another America Revolution in the near future? Do you beleave that the super elite are working on bringing the globe into a New World Order through globalization? Do you beleave that programs exist to de-populate the world? Post your oppinions here.
I personally hope that we do not have to go through another revolution, but as Thomas Jefferson himself said (something along the lines of) "There must be revolutions in order to democracy to work."
I just hope that we as a people are smart enough to figure out a different way to fix the issues, instead of going for an all out war to fix it. Then again it may need to happen.
There could be a New World order in the works, I dont have any kind of proof of it, but the times sure seem like it. I can personally guarantee that I will stand up and fight for what I believe in.
I just hope that we as a people are smart enough to figure out a different way to fix the issues, instead of going for an all out war to fix it. Then again it may need to happen.
There could be a New World order in the works, I dont have any kind of proof of it, but the times sure seem like it. I can personally guarantee that I will stand up and fight for what I believe in.
QUOTE (Soundwave.42 @ Jul 2 2008, 12:40 PM) 
I personally hope that we do not have to go through another revolution, but as Thomas Jefferson himself said (something along the lines of) "There must be revolutions in order to democracy to work."
I just hope that we as a people are smart enough to figure out a different way to fix the issues, instead of going for an all out war to fix it. Then again it may need to happen.
There could be a New World order in the works, I dont have any kind of proof of it, but the times sure seem like it. I can personally guarantee that I will stand up and fight for what I believe in.
I just hope that we as a people are smart enough to figure out a different way to fix the issues, instead of going for an all out war to fix it. Then again it may need to happen.
There could be a New World order in the works, I dont have any kind of proof of it, but the times sure seem like it. I can personally guarantee that I will stand up and fight for what I believe in.
I also hope we can fix things through democracy. I just fear that certain power structures have gotten too tight a grasp around our political and govermental systems. Look at the election of our current president. Democracy is supposed to be for the people by the people. Well a greater mojority of voters voted against our incubent president, but he still took the chair. That there is enough to let me know something is terribly wrong. Everday Americans are losing there rights, and the constitution is being stripped apart. I don't beleave violence is the awnser, but some times you have no choice but to defend yourselves against an aggressor. For those of you who are remotely curious I recommend checking some of these sources out. You don't have to beleave everything you see or read just take it in and form your own oppinion. Regardless always remember to think for yourselves and question authority.
www.prisonplanet.com
www.infowars.com
MOVIE: Alex Jones's ENDGAME
I'm sorry I have no idea how to begin to answer your question or no intention of trying to do so. This is probably going to sound a bit wierd but I just had to post here to say I absolutely love your name. I don't know why, I think it's something to do with the way it looks in type, I don't know. Sorry, I'll let you get back to your serious discussion now.
Apathy is the biggest problem.
You could have a New World Order going on right now, it could be broadcast to the world in all its glory, in fact, without the need to hide much at all, and you STILL would have a majority population of people (in the U.S. anyway) that will simply scratch their bums and go right back to watching American Idol.
That's the problem.
Not whether it's happening or not, but the fact that people's brains are so mushified that it wouldn't even matter whether it was happening or not.
My own personal belief is that it's been happening for a long, long time. It's not like one big takeover, but a gradual progression of corporatization which has put into place the elite players, most of which the families stay in power for not just decades but centuries. These folks all get together at the Council on Foreign Relations (Wiki it, check out the names on that list, look at the corporations and politicians who are represented. Is your name there? Shouldn't it be? Why isn't it? What do they have that you don't? Power. These are the folks who determine the direction of the world. And they do it without you, without everyone, and still no one cares.)
So is there a need for a revolution? Oh, probably.
Is it likely? No. Not at all. Not in my lifetime anyway.
Does it piss some of us off? Absolutely. So we go around and tell people about it, and sometimes their eyes light up and they go "wow, that's unreal. how did it come to this?" and become aware themselves, but most of the time (90+% of the time) they just think you're a loony conspiracist. But those of us paying attention see the obvious stuff. The inability for the Ralph Naders to become president, the global economy taking shape which is simply putting the power and resources into fewer and fewer hands, the almost complete monopolization of our media into just a few hands, I mean, these things may be planned in secret but they're carried out right before our very eyes and still we do nothing as a mass population.
Next up: The Internet. It's far too dangerous to have such a wide-open free trade of ideas between "the common folk". Watch as it gets gobbled up by the corporate players like everything else has. It's a prime example of the battle that is being waged right now. Who's paying attention? A few of us. But more of us just think it's a leftist alarmist conspiracy like everything else. Let's revisit the topic in about 10 years. Someone will be saying "I told you so."
You could have a New World Order going on right now, it could be broadcast to the world in all its glory, in fact, without the need to hide much at all, and you STILL would have a majority population of people (in the U.S. anyway) that will simply scratch their bums and go right back to watching American Idol.
That's the problem.
Not whether it's happening or not, but the fact that people's brains are so mushified that it wouldn't even matter whether it was happening or not.
My own personal belief is that it's been happening for a long, long time. It's not like one big takeover, but a gradual progression of corporatization which has put into place the elite players, most of which the families stay in power for not just decades but centuries. These folks all get together at the Council on Foreign Relations (Wiki it, check out the names on that list, look at the corporations and politicians who are represented. Is your name there? Shouldn't it be? Why isn't it? What do they have that you don't? Power. These are the folks who determine the direction of the world. And they do it without you, without everyone, and still no one cares.)
So is there a need for a revolution? Oh, probably.
Is it likely? No. Not at all. Not in my lifetime anyway.
Does it piss some of us off? Absolutely. So we go around and tell people about it, and sometimes their eyes light up and they go "wow, that's unreal. how did it come to this?" and become aware themselves, but most of the time (90+% of the time) they just think you're a loony conspiracist. But those of us paying attention see the obvious stuff. The inability for the Ralph Naders to become president, the global economy taking shape which is simply putting the power and resources into fewer and fewer hands, the almost complete monopolization of our media into just a few hands, I mean, these things may be planned in secret but they're carried out right before our very eyes and still we do nothing as a mass population.
Next up: The Internet. It's far too dangerous to have such a wide-open free trade of ideas between "the common folk". Watch as it gets gobbled up by the corporate players like everything else has. It's a prime example of the battle that is being waged right now. Who's paying attention? A few of us. But more of us just think it's a leftist alarmist conspiracy like everything else. Let's revisit the topic in about 10 years. Someone will be saying "I told you so."
I don't think so. If you look at history it shows that revolutions start because conditions are intolerable. My condition is just fine. I have a roof over my head, food in the fridge, a car that starts and takes me anwhere I want to go.
I've never been hit by a policeman, tortured, kidnapped, or even seriously threatened.
I've made plenty of rash stastements about the government but never been arrested or threatened for it.
Same goes for all my neighbors and all the people I know. Ditto my relatives.
George
I've never been hit by a policeman, tortured, kidnapped, or even seriously threatened.
I've made plenty of rash stastements about the government but never been arrested or threatened for it.
Same goes for all my neighbors and all the people I know. Ditto my relatives.
George
QUOTE (Mudget @ Jul 4 2008, 11:28 AM)
Apathy is the biggest problem.
You could have a New World Order going on right now, it could be broadcast to the world in all its glory, in fact, without the need to hide much at all, and you STILL would have a majority population of people (in the U.S. anyway) that will simply scratch their bums and go right back to watching American Idol.
That's the problem.
Not whether it's happening or not, but the fact that people's brains are so mushified that it wouldn't even matter whether it was happening or not.
My own personal belief is that it's been happening for a long, long time. It's not like one big takeover, but a gradual progression of corporatization which has put into place the elite players, most of which the families stay in power for not just decades but centuries. These folks all get together at the Council on Foreign Relations (Wiki it, check out the names on that list, look at the corporations and politicians who are represented. Is your name there? Shouldn't it be? Why isn't it? What do they have that you don't? Power. These are the folks who determine the direction of the world. And they do it without you, without everyone, and still no one cares.)
So is there a need for a revolution? Oh, probably.
Is it likely? No. Not at all. Not in my lifetime anyway.
Does it piss some of us off? Absolutely. So we go around and tell people about it, and sometimes their eyes light up and they go "wow, that's unreal. how did it come to this?" and become aware themselves, but most of the time (90+% of the time) they just think you're a loony conspiracist. But those of us paying attention see the obvious stuff. The inability for the Ralph Naders to become president, the global economy taking shape which is simply putting the power and resources into fewer and fewer hands, the almost complete monopolization of our media into just a few hands, I mean, these things may be planned in secret but they're carried out right before our very eyes and still we do nothing as a mass population.
Next up: The Internet. It's far too dangerous to have such a wide-open free trade of ideas between "the common folk". Watch as it gets gobbled up by the corporate players like everything else has. It's a prime example of the battle that is being waged right now. Who's paying attention? A few of us. But more of us just think it's a leftist alarmist conspiracy like everything else. Let's revisit the topic in about 10 years. Someone will be saying "I told you so."
You could have a New World Order going on right now, it could be broadcast to the world in all its glory, in fact, without the need to hide much at all, and you STILL would have a majority population of people (in the U.S. anyway) that will simply scratch their bums and go right back to watching American Idol.
That's the problem.
Not whether it's happening or not, but the fact that people's brains are so mushified that it wouldn't even matter whether it was happening or not.
My own personal belief is that it's been happening for a long, long time. It's not like one big takeover, but a gradual progression of corporatization which has put into place the elite players, most of which the families stay in power for not just decades but centuries. These folks all get together at the Council on Foreign Relations (Wiki it, check out the names on that list, look at the corporations and politicians who are represented. Is your name there? Shouldn't it be? Why isn't it? What do they have that you don't? Power. These are the folks who determine the direction of the world. And they do it without you, without everyone, and still no one cares.)
So is there a need for a revolution? Oh, probably.
Is it likely? No. Not at all. Not in my lifetime anyway.
Does it piss some of us off? Absolutely. So we go around and tell people about it, and sometimes their eyes light up and they go "wow, that's unreal. how did it come to this?" and become aware themselves, but most of the time (90+% of the time) they just think you're a loony conspiracist. But those of us paying attention see the obvious stuff. The inability for the Ralph Naders to become president, the global economy taking shape which is simply putting the power and resources into fewer and fewer hands, the almost complete monopolization of our media into just a few hands, I mean, these things may be planned in secret but they're carried out right before our very eyes and still we do nothing as a mass population.
Next up: The Internet. It's far too dangerous to have such a wide-open free trade of ideas between "the common folk". Watch as it gets gobbled up by the corporate players like everything else has. It's a prime example of the battle that is being waged right now. Who's paying attention? A few of us. But more of us just think it's a leftist alarmist conspiracy like everything else. Let's revisit the topic in about 10 years. Someone will be saying "I told you so."
You hit the nail right on the head Mudget. Thats exactly how I feel. The average American is caught up in the Bubble Gum media. My only hope is that they, being the elite and power structure make some kind of major mistake. All people and orginizations make mistakes. Corporations, Generals and Presidents. We can only hope to be aware when they make thiers and capitalise on it. The most important thing to remember is that there is more of us. We outnumber these heartless people. The only ones we should fear is the military. But, look at this war with Iraq. Look at the discontent in our soldiers. The media doesn't show the countless numbers of U.S. soldiers begging to come home because they do not agree with what they our doing or understand what is going on. Imagine what would happen if our goverment tried to unleash our Armed Forces against us. These are not the same days that gave birth to the Civil War. Family will not kill family on that scale again. The hardest thing for me to understand is why we sit back and let these injustices and violations of our constitutional rights happen. I'm not racist by any means and fully agree with what went down but, I remember not too long ago practicaly every major city from Los Angeles California to Rochester New York in America rioting and protesting over the beating of a Mr. Rodney King. What angers me is that there are so many things that have happened since then that have fully justified the same response. Like the taking of the Presidency by a man that only had the vote of some wheres like %43 of the American population in a sold called Democratic country ( And now has the audacity to stand at his podium and declare the Zimbabwe elections a sham...LOL) Or the violation of our constitutional rights with the Electronic Surveillance Act and The Patriot Act. They say its for our safety. To protect us from the enemy. Seriously, I still can't tell you who that enemy is and I highly doubt anyone here either. You can say Al Quida, or the Taliban but thats like declaring The Boy Scouts of America, or the Demecratic and Republican partys as our enemy. Also, don't forget how Hitler came into power. Him and his people hired a bunch of thugs to terrorise Germany. Then they told the people of Germany to grant them complete control of everything. After they came into power they told thier thugs to stop. Gave them high postitions in the SS and tried to take over the world. Who's to say thats not whats happening now. ENEMY: AL Quida (sorry I know I spelled it wrong) led by Ossama Bin Laden. President of America: George W. Bush. The Bushs and the Bin Laden family have been close to each other for a long time. Terrorists are attacking our country Bin Laden is responsible give me the freedom to do what ever it takes to defeat this enemy. Then we get things like The Electronic Surveillance Act and The Patriot Act and many more acts that limit our rights and grants one person the power to do as they wish. Its pretty scary in all actuality. One more thing just to bring to your attention.
CHECK THESE SITES OUT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLFBUrHPmNM...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s1odqQTKyU...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_91t6JM5s...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK2g0TGaAZA...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBxdRIQx7Y...feature=related ***MUST SEE***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Jux68F_AQ...feature=related ***MUST SEE***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_9_5aBU33E...feature=related ***MUST SEE***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gD25lwjAk...feature=related ***MUST SEE***
This is far to real people. Don't just lay on all fours with your butts in the air. Turn off the T.V. Stay out of the malls and prepare yourselves. Its not a possablity anymore, its real. Heres whats some are doing to prepare and all should do the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gD25lwjAk...feature=related *** MUST SEE **!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWX7SdUMBHk...feature=related ** MUST SEE ** !!!!!!!!
DONT DO NOTHING DO SOMETHING!!!!
Mistakes? Put it out in the open? What do you think 9-11, and everything that has happened since was? Im not saying I believe 9-11 was an inside job, only that the questions need to be addressed. Terrorism is a perfect scapegoat, the ideal enemy for a perpetual war because terrorism is not a country, it is not a race, it is not a religion, it is not a physical ANYTHING. Terrorism is an idea, a verb. It cannot be defeated, it never will be. A war on terrorism states in ITS NAME THAT IT WILL NEVER END. Did this open peoples eyes?
The entire Bush regime, our rights have been stripped away before our eyes, under the veil of "national security", and have people done anything? Dissenting views, protesters practicing the first amendment have been publicly labeled as anti-American, traitors, we have been told to leave if we don't like it. And did this open anyones eyes?
The harsh reality will never be publicly accepted, unless something so horrible, so horrific that people CANT deny it any longer, happens. Until something like that happens, people will continue to turn their backs because it's something they don't want to believe. It is something inconvenient, and will threaten their happy lives of reality TV, and who will get kicked off next on "Rock of Love". (The way the media is used to keep people occupied/in denial is an entirely different discussion :P)
The entire Bush regime, our rights have been stripped away before our eyes, under the veil of "national security", and have people done anything? Dissenting views, protesters practicing the first amendment have been publicly labeled as anti-American, traitors, we have been told to leave if we don't like it. And did this open anyones eyes?
The harsh reality will never be publicly accepted, unless something so horrible, so horrific that people CANT deny it any longer, happens. Until something like that happens, people will continue to turn their backs because it's something they don't want to believe. It is something inconvenient, and will threaten their happy lives of reality TV, and who will get kicked off next on "Rock of Love". (The way the media is used to keep people occupied/in denial is an entirely different discussion :P)
Mark Of The Beast!!!!! An electronic tracking device?
For more info research Biometric Technologies
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l39XsMcyvgA&feature=related
For more info research Biometric Technologies
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l39XsMcyvgA&feature=related
QUOTE (nortons850 @ Jul 4 2008, 11:35 AM)
I don't think so. If you look at history it shows that revolutions start because conditions are intolerable. My condition is just fine. I have a roof over my head, food in the fridge, a car that starts and takes me anwhere I want to go.
I've never been hit by a policeman, tortured, kidnapped, or even seriously threatened.
I've made plenty of rash stastements about the government but never been arrested or threatened for it.
Same goes for all my neighbors and all the people I know. Ditto my relatives.
George
I've never been hit by a policeman, tortured, kidnapped, or even seriously threatened.
I've made plenty of rash stastements about the government but never been arrested or threatened for it.
Same goes for all my neighbors and all the people I know. Ditto my relatives.
George
This is what we are talking about. They just push to a point were people think they are fine.
The problem is that we are not fine no matter what, unless we are part of the elitist groups. I should not have to feel that if I vote for Mike Gravel my vote is thrown away, which could give a chance to McCain to win. So I am voting Obama against my will, because I refuse to have a third era for bush the second. There are little things that need to be changed for me to feel good.
Granted I feel ok now, but I could feel alot better if things were changed. The issue is people are ok with feeling fine and not good..
I agree with Soundwave. They push us into beleaving we are fine by showing nothing but hate, and violence in the media (NEWS). When you turn on CNN, FOX or MSNBC you are bombarded with violence, devistation, and hate. After you tuen it off, well yeah sure your going to feel fine. Sure you'll be o.k. with The Electronic Survailence Act or The Patriot Act. A hurricane or tornado didn't just rip your living room up like a suicide bomber. It wasn't your daughter that was kidnapped and raped. Protesters and activists weren't peppered sprayed and beat down with batons for voicing their oppinions in your streets. Having thier right to freedom of speach violated and trampled on by storm troopers in riot gear armed with rubber bullets and tear gas. Your fine because it hasn't reached you YET. Your not immediatley in danger YET. But its your type that when faced with these violations and dangers will be sucking on a plastic hose attached to your pretty looking cars exhaust pipe while soldiers march all over your nice green grass and through your perfect white fence as your sons and daughters are hauled off to concentration camps. Don't think not for even for one minute that just because you havn't seen or felt it yet that you won't ever. Because after the poor and the minioritys are rounded up YOU'LL be next.
P.S. Soundwave its funny we have agreed on so many things, the color quiz lists us as enemies. lol.
P.S. Soundwave its funny we have agreed on so many things, the color quiz lists us as enemies. lol.
I heard about those chips first time watching an Alex Jones documentary. Its freightning to see that soo many deemed unfair measures get pushed through these days. Like the chip, th patriot act, especially that sneak and peak provision in there. All because of 9/11. I read someone's statement about not believing 9/11 was an inside job. That depends on the definition of an inside job. There are indications that they allowed it to happen, wich in my book is the same as doing it yourself. Biggest indication is that paper those bozo's like Rumsfeld ect wrote in the late 90's, Project for a new american century, in there it clearly states that in order for america to go back to arms they would need a 'Pearl Harbor-like event'. That 9/11 happened on the watch of the ppl that wrote the paper only fuels speculation about an inside job.
Another thing about the microchip. There is a docu out on the net about a BBC reporter that went to see how 'chipped' the ppl in the UK were. And ok, there is no talk about the microchip as an implant, but basicly....they dont need one. Together with the passports they had wich keep a lot of physical parameters, they have public transportation passes, ect, literaly a pass for everything. Now, when something happens, and you do have a suspect...and you put all that data together....they know where one has been and for how long, the means of transport, payments ect, all on paper. Why need to chip someone? They got all they need right there. That docu also showed how easy it was to hack into those chips emself, to altar numbers ect, but thats not the point im making. They really dont need to chip ppl to find out where they been and what they did.
And is there a new world order comming? Imo no, its the same order as the old one, but the public display of it changes, but the ones pulling the strings are the same ones. And the receipt for whats happening now with the 'big broter' society is tested and approved before in history. Nero burning Rome to blame it on christians and proclaim laws that otherwise never would have approved or executed, Nazi's burning the reichstag to blame communists (the biggest oposition back then) and outlaw the communist party to seize power and maybe, just maybe....the US allowing 9/11 to happen to push through laws that totaly destroy the bill of rights and costitution and opress the ppl without taking away the virtual image of having freedom. Wasnt it one of the US presidents that once said that if you sacrifice freedom for security you will end up with neither?
Another thing about the microchip. There is a docu out on the net about a BBC reporter that went to see how 'chipped' the ppl in the UK were. And ok, there is no talk about the microchip as an implant, but basicly....they dont need one. Together with the passports they had wich keep a lot of physical parameters, they have public transportation passes, ect, literaly a pass for everything. Now, when something happens, and you do have a suspect...and you put all that data together....they know where one has been and for how long, the means of transport, payments ect, all on paper. Why need to chip someone? They got all they need right there. That docu also showed how easy it was to hack into those chips emself, to altar numbers ect, but thats not the point im making. They really dont need to chip ppl to find out where they been and what they did.
And is there a new world order comming? Imo no, its the same order as the old one, but the public display of it changes, but the ones pulling the strings are the same ones. And the receipt for whats happening now with the 'big broter' society is tested and approved before in history. Nero burning Rome to blame it on christians and proclaim laws that otherwise never would have approved or executed, Nazi's burning the reichstag to blame communists (the biggest oposition back then) and outlaw the communist party to seize power and maybe, just maybe....the US allowing 9/11 to happen to push through laws that totaly destroy the bill of rights and costitution and opress the ppl without taking away the virtual image of having freedom. Wasnt it one of the US presidents that once said that if you sacrifice freedom for security you will end up with neither?
QUOTE (wackenhut @ Jul 7 2008, 10:38 AM)
I heard about those chips first time watching an Alex Jones documentary. Its freightning to see that soo many deemed unfair measures get pushed through these days. Like the chip, th patriot act, especially that sneak and peak provision in there. All because of 9/11. I read someone's statement about not believing 9/11 was an inside job. That depends on the definition of an inside job. There are indications that they allowed it to happen, wich in my book is the same as doing it yourself. Biggest indication is that paper those bozo's like Rumsfeld ect wrote in the late 90's, Project for a new american century, in there it clearly states that in order for america to go back to arms they would need a 'Pearl Harbor-like event'. That 9/11 happened on the watch of the ppl that wrote the paper only fuels speculation about an inside job.
Another thing about the microchip. There is a docu out on the net about a BBC reporter that went to see how 'chipped' the ppl in the UK were. And ok, there is no talk about the microchip as an implant, but basicly....they dont need one. Together with the passports they had wich keep a lot of physical parameters, they have public transportation passes, ect, literaly a pass for everything. Now, when something happens, and you do have a suspect...and you put all that data together....they know where one has been and for how long, the means of transport, payments ect, all on paper. Why need to chip someone? They got all they need right there. That docu also showed how easy it was to hack into those chips emself, to altar numbers ect, but thats not the point im making. They really dont need to chip ppl to find out where they been and what they did.
And is there a new world order comming? Imo no, its the same order as the old one, but the public display of it changes, but the ones pulling the strings are the same ones. And the receipt for whats happening now with the 'big broter' society is tested and approved before in history. Nero burning Rome to blame it on christians and proclaim laws that otherwise never would have approved or executed, Nazi's burning the reichstag to blame communists (the biggest oposition back then) and outlaw the communist party to seize power and maybe, just maybe....the US allowing 9/11 to happen to push through laws that totaly destroy the bill of rights and costitution and opress the ppl without taking away the virtual image of having freedom. Wasnt it one of the US presidents that once said that if you sacrifice freedom for security you will end up with neither?
Another thing about the microchip. There is a docu out on the net about a BBC reporter that went to see how 'chipped' the ppl in the UK were. And ok, there is no talk about the microchip as an implant, but basicly....they dont need one. Together with the passports they had wich keep a lot of physical parameters, they have public transportation passes, ect, literaly a pass for everything. Now, when something happens, and you do have a suspect...and you put all that data together....they know where one has been and for how long, the means of transport, payments ect, all on paper. Why need to chip someone? They got all they need right there. That docu also showed how easy it was to hack into those chips emself, to altar numbers ect, but thats not the point im making. They really dont need to chip ppl to find out where they been and what they did.
And is there a new world order comming? Imo no, its the same order as the old one, but the public display of it changes, but the ones pulling the strings are the same ones. And the receipt for whats happening now with the 'big broter' society is tested and approved before in history. Nero burning Rome to blame it on christians and proclaim laws that otherwise never would have approved or executed, Nazi's burning the reichstag to blame communists (the biggest oposition back then) and outlaw the communist party to seize power and maybe, just maybe....the US allowing 9/11 to happen to push through laws that totaly destroy the bill of rights and costitution and opress the ppl without taking away the virtual image of having freedom. Wasnt it one of the US presidents that once said that if you sacrifice freedom for security you will end up with neither?
100% right Wackenhut. I too have also seen that document on the net. It's not just Rumsfeild, but a whole commision that put that paper together back in the 90's. It can not be just merely coincidence that a paper was put out in the late 90's suggesting such a thing and then a few years later we get an attack on American soil that is in fact exactly what they wanted. My fear is that 9/11 was not big enough for thier desired effects. Whats next? A major city devested by a nuclear attack, with blame being put on Iran. What it comes down to is this people. For thousands of years there has been the birth and rebirth of the Messiah in countless coultures. (I'm spiritual but do not personal beleave in organised religion, though I still feel others have a right to) All have the same characteristics:
Born of a virgin
Born on Dec. 25
Crucified
Dead for 3 days
Resssurected
On Dec. 21 2012 the Mayan calander predicts a major world changing event. I beleave that it is not the second comming but one following many commings. on Dec. 12 2012 the eastern star will be in view follwed by three more stars called the three kings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeEX-M7rHAc...feature=related **check this link**
This all explains why we are in Iraq. We want to have the most dominating presense in the area during this comming.
Also Wackenhut look at my signature. LOL
And I would love to see Ron Paul as Obbama's running mate.
Off-Topic:
That is weird, but then again it could be the way we go about things haha.
That is weird, but then again it could be the way we go about things haha.
This is where I get my self in BIG trouble
So ok the NWO does exist in fact I can garentie that everyone on this forum has been bugged by them in a very clever way ill list the items that 99% of them are likely to be bugged and reporting on you, witch also 99% of you will have!!!
1) TV (This one is the least used for tracking purposes but used as a lot of older ppl don't own the below)
2) PC/Laptop (yes these are chipped but also report on what type of activities you use find out what sites you visit log all your typing and a lot more)
3)Mobile phone (Hahaha now this tells where you are records your convos AND texts very clever of them)
I'm already being watched because ive been outspoken in the past
The company its self started off working on things in the 2nd world war by cataloguing the Jewish population and also working on the Enigma machine, their next big project is on its way soon I do not wish to be to open about it but WE will be chipped soon
Be prepared to fight and also be ware of strange "Vaccinations"
So ok the NWO does exist in fact I can garentie that everyone on this forum has been bugged by them in a very clever way ill list the items that 99% of them are likely to be bugged and reporting on you, witch also 99% of you will have!!!
1) TV (This one is the least used for tracking purposes but used as a lot of older ppl don't own the below)
2) PC/Laptop (yes these are chipped but also report on what type of activities you use find out what sites you visit log all your typing and a lot more)
3)Mobile phone (Hahaha now this tells where you are records your convos AND texts very clever of them)
I'm already being watched because ive been outspoken in the past
The company its self started off working on things in the 2nd world war by cataloguing the Jewish population and also working on the Enigma machine, their next big project is on its way soon I do not wish to be to open about it but WE will be chipped soon
Be prepared to fight and also be ware of strange "Vaccinations"
Sure, think about it, right now there are about 1 in 10 Americans who are late on their mortgage payments. Considering that the population is roughly 300 million, that would mean 30 million people who are late on their mortgage payments. Now usually it takes about 6 months before you are forcefully evicted from the house if you dont pay your mortgage. Now assume (conservatively) that 10% of the 30 million actually gets evicted; and on top of that faces layoffs, or is already laid off. That puts 3 million homeless, jobless people out on the streets. Now this will not happen over night, nor will it only be limited to 3 million homeless. If the situation worsens then you are dealing with more evictions and more homeless people. This will increase crime rates drastically, which potentially can lead to social unrest, which may lead to a major revolution. Now I'm sure the gov't has already made plans with Blackwater, Triple Canopy, and with some special military units to kill off their own citizens in case of a revolt. It would be interesting to see, after all during the later 20s and 30s there was 25% unemployment rate in the US...and people dying on the streets from starvation.
If the world ends I will take over!
All hail TQW!
Hey ooKING BONGoo. Love the topic man, thanks for that Endgame suggestion. I'm downloading it now, will watch it tomorrow hopefully. Looks like I'll love it, it's right up my alley. I know this whole topic is touchy. People don't seem to understand how possible it really is. It just shows how much easier it is for someone to pull the wool over you eyes when your already a sheep to begin with.
EDIT: At the risk of sounding retarded or insane I will tell people here to be VERY suspicious of any vaccines or anything involving needles the government or the media tells you to get in the near future. I truly in my heart believe that governments are very close to trying to ID chip their citizens. Satellites and surveillance cameras are infringing on our privacy more than enough. The way I see it, the best way to ID chip people without their knowledge would be a fake or maybe even genuine virus or disease scare, followed up by a "Better hurry to the doctor and get your shot before you die". Again, I know I probably sound horribly paranoid, but hey, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
EDIT: At the risk of sounding retarded or insane I will tell people here to be VERY suspicious of any vaccines or anything involving needles the government or the media tells you to get in the near future. I truly in my heart believe that governments are very close to trying to ID chip their citizens. Satellites and surveillance cameras are infringing on our privacy more than enough. The way I see it, the best way to ID chip people without their knowledge would be a fake or maybe even genuine virus or disease scare, followed up by a "Better hurry to the doctor and get your shot before you die". Again, I know I probably sound horribly paranoid, but hey, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
QUOTE (ooKING BONGoo @ Jul 2 2008, 06:13 PM)
Do you think there will be another America Revolution in the near future?
Do you mean another USA civil war?
...I really hope so. The USA needs to break up now.
QUOTE (Conservationist @ Feb 11 2009, 06:07 AM)
Do you mean another USA civil war?
...I really hope so. The USA needs to break up now.
...I really hope so. The USA needs to break up now.
Do you seriously mean you would like to see a civil war in your own country?
Obviously you have no grasp or concept of what war is like!
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Obviously you have no grasp of the concept of what war is like!
Agreed, and no one can predict with any certainty that a revolution would result in an improvement.
No Civil War, but the Sates need to pressure the living Hell out of the Feds and take their Rights back!!
The Feds are too concerned with their own greatness, it's soo damn pathetic...
We need a small Federal Gov't and more powerful States Rights!
Things are quickly headed in the wrong direction...
When are people going to actually inform themselves on where we were in regards to Gov't power in the past and where we are today?!?
The Feds are too concerned with their own greatness, it's soo damn pathetic...
We need a small Federal Gov't and more powerful States Rights!
Things are quickly headed in the wrong direction...
When are people going to actually inform themselves on where we were in regards to Gov't power in the past and where we are today?!?
QUOTE (Conservationist @ Feb 11 2009, 01:07 AM)
Do you mean another USA civil war?
...I really hope so. The USA needs to break up now.
...I really hope so. The USA needs to break up now.
I would say the opposite is true, Breaking up the 50 states would weaken each part that split and there would eventually be war between separate States, as that is the major function of the federal Government, to keep peace and prosperity between the states.
I believe for us to maintain our place in the world as an economic super power we must revisit manifest destiny. We have spread from sea to sea now I would say its time to spread from pole to pole. Not by force mind you. So many of our troubles and Mexico's troubles would be solved if we were to start by Mexico being the next 10 stars on the flag. Now Im just waiting for some of my fellow Americans to protest this right on the face of it, but it is not a new idea or anything that hasn't been done before as that is how California and Texas came into the Union, Both were sovereign nations at the time. It is one of the few options for staying ahead of China and the EU economically.
Something tells me the Canadians will favor this idea less than my fellow Americans.
QUOTE (PH8AL @ Mar 5 2010, 01:38 AM)
I believe for us to maintain our place in the world as an economic super power we must revisit manifest destiny.
The American economy made it a super power a few years ago but the days of economic wine and roses are faded with the recent recession.
QUOTE (PH8AL @ Mar 5 2010, 01:38 AM)
We have spread from sea to sea now I would say its time to spread from pole to pole. Not by force mind you. So many of our troubles and Mexico's troubles would be solved if we were to start by Mexico being the next 10 stars on the flag.
QUOTE (PH8AL @ Mar 5 2010, 01:38 AM)
.... It is one of the few options for staying ahead of China and the EU economically.
Maybe open the Mexican borders would be the place to start but if you are on an expansion campaign then just Mexico would be a little short sighted, if I were the USA I would set my sights at least as far South as Panama which even today has great strategic and economic importance as one of the worlds busiest shipping routes.
QUOTE (PH8AL @ Mar 5 2010, 01:38 AM)
Something tells me the Canadians will favor this idea less than my fellow Americans.
I doubt the Canadians would worry themselves too much. I think a good part of what makes Canada the well rounded and mature country it is today is that they don't worry themselves too much about the affairs of the USA.
I really don't see oppression and slavery coming from any NWO, atleast not in my lifetime. As long as the American people are allowed to own guns and freely communicate with each other, goodluck NWO.
Personally i try not to get too upset by what i see going on in the world. The world is ruled by a handful of greedy, power-hungry, egocentric families. I have accepted this.
"I live in my own world. F$@& regular life." -some hardstyle song
Living in a dream is fun, hope i never wake up.
Really though, what can we do about this? I keep my eyes open, my computer masked, (can't hurt right?)*, and never get vaccines.
*who really makes these ghosting programs, what if they are nothing but a BIG FLAG because the innocent have nothing to hide?
Personally i try not to get too upset by what i see going on in the world. The world is ruled by a handful of greedy, power-hungry, egocentric families. I have accepted this.
"I live in my own world. F$@& regular life." -some hardstyle song
Living in a dream is fun, hope i never wake up.
Really though, what can we do about this? I keep my eyes open, my computer masked, (can't hurt right?)*, and never get vaccines.
*who really makes these ghosting programs, what if they are nothing but a BIG FLAG because the innocent have nothing to hide?
people wake the funk up !
do you even realize how close we are to becoming
another nazi germany in the USA
homeland security
patriot act
mandatory healthcare
the next step in total disarmment of the people
things will never change until it is right in your face
and its already up our a$$&$
stay informed and be ready
and most importantly
STAY FREE
do you even realize how close we are to becoming
another nazi germany in the USA
homeland security
patriot act
mandatory healthcare
the next step in total disarmment of the people
things will never change until it is right in your face
and its already up our a$$&$
stay informed and be ready
and most importantly
STAY FREE
QUOTE (joshclove @ Apr 7 2010, 08:29 PM)
people wake the funk up !
do you even realize how close we are to becoming
another nazi germany in the USA
homeland security
patriot act
mandatory healthcare
the next step in total disarmment of the people
things will never change until it is right in your face
and its already up our a$$&$
stay informed and be ready
and most importantly
STAY FREE
do you even realize how close we are to becoming
another nazi germany in the USA
homeland security
patriot act
mandatory healthcare
the next step in total disarmment of the people
things will never change until it is right in your face
and its already up our a$$&$
stay informed and be ready
and most importantly
STAY FREE
Are you old enough to remember when Clinton banned assault rifles? People were all in a frenzy about how revolution was just around the corner. It was and did happen but that revolution was the swelling of the ranks of the neo-conservatives who promised to protect guns at all cost, they got the votes and as soon as we let W. in the oval office he let it expire. How long could it possibly be before things swing back the other way and we have a right wing white house with enough support from congress and the governors to over turn or gut this new health care bill? Look at what Obama has been up to while every bodies attention has been focused on the same old big wedge issues banking and health care. He has had one of the busiest first years in generations. By the time Obama leaves office I can guarantee you neither the patriot act or homeland security will be any thing like what they are now if they still exist. Obama is just getting started, he is keeping a low profile 1st term because he wants a 2nd turn, but in the 2nd term all bets are off. Personally I agree with about 65% of what he wants to do, which is an extremely high approval rating for me.
If you really want to know how serious Clinton was about banning guns look at it this way; he passes a middle of the road ban on basically just high capacity mags and foreign army surplus. All the guns already out there were grandfathered in. Yeah it got hard to buy an Ak but you could still buy a Ruger 10/22 or Mini-14 at Walmart and pick up extremely high capacity mags at flea markets and gun shows. Then the expiration date was after the end of his 2nd term when he could have used his constitutional powers and banned all high capacity weapons as an executive order and been done with it. He passed the buck just far enough out to be sure his Library would be finished. Later on I will link to an article that shows some of the motivation for why he did this.
No one is going to make a direct move on gun ownership, they will do it over an extremely long time the same way they have with states rights and land ownership rights. a direct move to disarm the people would be the one thing that would spark a nation wide shooting war.
When I use the term militia with out a state name I am referring to organized state militias not any radical groups. I use the term to mean all state militias as the will act as separate branches of a peoples army. There are several but the one I reference most is the only one I have personal knowledge of which is the Michigan Militia = MM.
The status quo, the government has done everything in its power to marginalize the militia. Look back to the Revolution and the War of 1812 the militia did the grunt work and frontier fighting while the regular army protected the rich folks in the cities. Who were the militia? They were every man between the ages of 16 and 40 who lived at home or in bush camps and fought a guerrilla war against the British. Who had the power to call up and order the militia? The Governors! When the National Guard was started it was to unify the militia in a more organized system so they could be better outfitted and supplied but also put them under direct control of the president, which means no governor can raise a militia to confront the federal government as South Carolina did. The Civil War was hardly about slavery it was about states rights vs federal rights and the Union (Federal) won. The militia didn't die, every since the National Guard was started there have been several militias active and the line they draw in the sand is gun ownership. They have agreed to work within the system until the government tries to disarm the people as that is the true leverage we have on them.
Every nut job that starts a military cult or quack para military group gets the same treatment from the Government and the press, lots of coverage and a heightened use of the words militia movement. Always trying to pin racism on the militias so that poor whites and poor blacks will not fight together. The Murrah Building Bombing is a perfect example, No one involved was a Michigan Militia Member they had ties to radical groups that were not MM affiliated but the press kept citing these groups as militia movements and trying for any tie to the MM. Not many people had ever heard of the MM outside of Michigan before this even though the organization was decades old with 15000 members. The militia was on a campaign to get their people in to office at the township and city level so they could discretely sway State level politics from the bottom. It was working and the Feds had to do something about it. Some conspiracy theorists say the Feds were behind the bombing for the purpose of discrediting the militia.
Recent news debunks a lot of this, a local man who was instrumental in the capture of some of the Hutaree extremist group in Michigan is a Colonel in the Corps Wolverine (the teeth of the MM) and a Muslim.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36150792/ns/us...ime_and_courts/
This is not the first time the leadership of this group has worked with the FBI in all the scare in the run up to W2K the FBI planned to use them to help control any radical groups that tried to cause anarchy to break out if any thing happened.
This is a snippet of interest in this next link From A Corps Wolverine General about Racist extreme groups after the news of the Killing of 5 Jewish people by a member of the Aryan Nations that should settle any claims of racism.
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Such racism angers the Michigan men. "I would never have thought that this country could become a centre for ethnic cleansing," said the silver-haired VanHuizen, as he sat in the gun shop he owns at Muskegan on the shores of Lake Michigan. "I think we will be forced to take these groups out - to kill them, if necessary."
He and his senior commanders have received regular death threats from Christian Identity members in Michigan since the militia last year purged its ranks, court-martialling those associated with white supremacy. As many as 300 left to join more radical groups.
"We're very careful about who joins," said Wayne. "Some of these people just want a war."
He and his senior commanders have received regular death threats from Christian Identity members in Michigan since the militia last year purged its ranks, court-martialling those associated with white supremacy. As many as 300 left to join more radical groups.
"We're very careful about who joins," said Wayne. "Some of these people just want a war."
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fet...l?msg_id=001FTb
Notice thats 300 out of 15000.
This article sheds quite a bit of light on the militia. Most notably the thing that sets them apart from radical groups, they do not intend to fire the first shot and start a revolution, they are citizens prepared to defend this Nation from any enemy foreign or domestic. Which as proved includes hate or radical groups they become aware of.
Here is a wiki article that claims the MM was defunct by 2000 and other deceptive statements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Militia
Here is a Link from a group affiliated with the Southern Poverty Law Center that gives a list of active "Patriot" groups they are much more out spoken than the SPLC about tying these groups in with hate and domestic terror groups even though the FBI acknowledges they are not. This group is at the far extreme left, I give them as an example because they have put together a pretty good list of militia political and military groups, that shows if fighting does start how widespread it will be.
http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/active-p...groups-2000.htm
Please remember this is an extremely biased site.
If you are worried about your Freedom I would urge you to contact the militia in your area and and at least hear what they have to say. As there are many radical groups that try to gain members from seeming to be affiliated with these groups be wary of who you talk to if they at all espouse racism or an overtly religious leanings you are in the wrong place. As with any military they have need of people other than troops. Moderate Democrats would find themselves very at home as most of the members only lean toward the right because of gun rights and as is the case in Michigan many members are Union members with strong ties to the Democrats.
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I freely admit I am biased.
A good link if you are interested is the MM home page which right now has a video clip of US Attorney Barbara McQuade stating that the Hutaree were not a militia group they were a group plotting illegal acts.
Further down page is this interest tidbit
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PLEASE NOTE: The webmaster's email address, as well as those of the county Team Leaders, are NOT a dumping ground for wacky conspiracy theories. We are not interested. Find someone else to send them to!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://michiganmilitia.com/
Detroit Free Press article April 1, 2010 Giving the Michigan militia a bad name
Yet the press at large still call these quack jobs militia groups/movements. Far Left Bias?
So will an other Revolution take place?
I know there will be another revolution and it will probably happen in America first. Not necessarily though. Europe has always been more progressive and it might happen in Europe first, but anyway, people are starting to recognise the downsides of capitalism and that's the main reason for it. Capitalism makes rich even richer and poor even poorer. If you're born poor, you can forget about being rich. If you're born rich, it's hard for you to become poor. There's something wrong with all this isn't it? People are becoming aware, no matter the TV programmes that try to make them not think about the society we live in. The change is necessary. The corruption should be crushed. Our society should start making some sense. I'm absolutely able to kill anybody who would oppress us from doing that as I'm fed up with it.
Cheers! For hope of the better future. There's so much wrong with the society as it is now, I couldn't say it all in one post.
And no, I don't think guns should be legal. I think guns should be PAST. We don't need guns where we should be going... all we need is BRAINS.
Something like this: http://www.thevenusproject.com/
Cheers! For hope of the better future. There's so much wrong with the society as it is now, I couldn't say it all in one post.
And no, I don't think guns should be legal. I think guns should be PAST. We don't need guns where we should be going... all we need is BRAINS.
Something like this: http://www.thevenusproject.com/
what every one does not under stand is that the worrld power that you all talk about that will be is the united nations and then an will come to and end they will have the say and you won't
just a thought look in t to that
just a thought look in t to that
QUOTE (SineWave @ Apr 1 2011, 09:55 PM)
I know there will be another revolution and it will probably happen in America first. Not necessarily though. Europe has always been more progressive and it might happen in Europe first, but anyway, people are starting to recognise the downsides of capitalism and that's the main reason for it. Capitalism makes rich even richer and poor even poorer. If you're born poor, you can forget about being rich. If you're born rich, it's hard for you to become poor. There's something wrong with all this isn't it? People are becoming aware, no matter the TV programmes that try to make them not think about the society we live in. The change is necessary. The corruption should be crushed. Our society should start making some sense. I'm absolutely able to kill anybody who would oppress us from doing that as I'm fed up with it.
If you were to contemplate the events of the past few months in the Middle East the Revolution is starting and it is not a backlash against capitalism its a direct reach for it and democracy. The reason is simple, people are not cut off from the rest of the world in these dictatorships. They see how other people are living and they want that for themselves. I can see this sweeping the Muslim world because of the fact that in most Muslim countries the average age of the population is heavily tipped to the young who are more accepting of the technologies that are the heartbeat of this so called Muslim awakening. The question is how much inspiration and fervor for democracy comes from their efforts and if the spirit of it will seep back into the old Democracies where freedom is on a slippery slope. Will this finally challenge the ignorant apathy that is destroying the once great Democracies like the U.S..
You realize democracy is a precursor to socialism?
Direct democracy is mob rule and representative democracy is a breeding ground for corruption. Just look at every "democracy" around the planet. All of them are corrupt; it just depends on what level it has attained and how well it's hidden.
If you would like to discuss the Venus Project, the Zeitgeist thread might interest you.
Direct democracy is mob rule and representative democracy is a breeding ground for corruption. Just look at every "democracy" around the planet. All of them are corrupt; it just depends on what level it has attained and how well it's hidden.
If you would like to discuss the Venus Project, the Zeitgeist thread might interest you.
@PHATL,
Love your commentary, and we are kindred spirits. BUT, we (the US) are not a "democracy". The "criminals" yhat founded this place were scared to death of the "?Tyranny of the Majority".
*edit* misspelled PH8AL
Love your commentary, and we are kindred spirits. BUT, we (the US) are not a "democracy". The "criminals" yhat founded this place were scared to death of the "?Tyranny of the Majority".
*edit* misspelled PH8AL
QUOTE (Arkoma @ Apr 3 2011, 04:12 PM)
@PHATL,
Love your commentary, and we are kindred spirits. BUT, we (the US) are not a "democracy". The "criminals" yhat founded this place were scared to death of the "?Tyranny of the Majority".
*edit* misspelled PH8AL
Love your commentary, and we are kindred spirits. BUT, we (the US) are not a "democracy". The "criminals" yhat founded this place were scared to death of the "?Tyranny of the Majority".
*edit* misspelled PH8AL
Contrary to popular belief, the Founding Fathers were a group of mostly deist, intellectual elitists out to protect their own interests, not Christians for the greater good of the people.
Democracy isn't the problem WE are.
"representative democracy is a breeding ground for corruption" that's not a reason not to do it, its the work that must be done to preserve it.
Socialism and Democracy are not and should not be exclusive of each other. Even in a Democracy you have to have institutions in place to take care of societies weakest members. True Democracy must have these institutions because man is a greedy selfish animal. There is no freedom in poverty. Before we had public education most poor people were illiterate. Before SSI most elderly poor were reduced to begging in the streets.
I am not an Anarchist I am a Constitutionalists. I believe in Revolution only to preserve our Democracy.
It all boils down to APATHY, corruption exists in our Government because we are to lazy as a people to do any thing about it not because its what a Democracy is.
We set a horrible example for these other Nations and they still wish to live in a system like ours. Voter turn out here is pathetic. We shouldn't be running around acting like the Champions of Freedom we should be hanging our lazy heads in shame.
You want True Champions of Freedom look in Egypt or Iran or Libya, those protesters and Rebels are fighting for just a chance at what Americans take for granted every day.
Talk of revolution because of corruption, because of taxes, because of social medicine?
We can control our Government, we are one of the very few peoples on Earth that can and we act lazy and complain
We act like our Democracy was won for Us a long time a go and is our birth right. It is a never ending battle that requires us to sacrifice to maintain.
Apathy was the killer of Greece and Rome and here we are letting ourselves go the same way.
I am one man with one Vote and singly can't affect much on a National scale but collectively we are 300,000,000 and the true power in this Nation.
It is your civic duty to look after what is going on and make sure you are being represented properly.
This can be a strait out challenge, you show me a system in use at any point in history that is better than a representative democracy. Not some Utopian idea but an actual working system and government.
"representative democracy is a breeding ground for corruption" that's not a reason not to do it, its the work that must be done to preserve it.
Socialism and Democracy are not and should not be exclusive of each other. Even in a Democracy you have to have institutions in place to take care of societies weakest members. True Democracy must have these institutions because man is a greedy selfish animal. There is no freedom in poverty. Before we had public education most poor people were illiterate. Before SSI most elderly poor were reduced to begging in the streets.
I am not an Anarchist I am a Constitutionalists. I believe in Revolution only to preserve our Democracy.
It all boils down to APATHY, corruption exists in our Government because we are to lazy as a people to do any thing about it not because its what a Democracy is.
We set a horrible example for these other Nations and they still wish to live in a system like ours. Voter turn out here is pathetic. We shouldn't be running around acting like the Champions of Freedom we should be hanging our lazy heads in shame.
You want True Champions of Freedom look in Egypt or Iran or Libya, those protesters and Rebels are fighting for just a chance at what Americans take for granted every day.
Talk of revolution because of corruption, because of taxes, because of social medicine?
We can control our Government, we are one of the very few peoples on Earth that can and we act lazy and complain
We act like our Democracy was won for Us a long time a go and is our birth right. It is a never ending battle that requires us to sacrifice to maintain.
Apathy was the killer of Greece and Rome and here we are letting ourselves go the same way.
I am one man with one Vote and singly can't affect much on a National scale but collectively we are 300,000,000 and the true power in this Nation.
It is your civic duty to look after what is going on and make sure you are being represented properly.
This can be a strait out challenge, you show me a system in use at any point in history that is better than a representative democracy. Not some Utopian idea but an actual working system and government.
PH8AL you are right the ppl are the problem they can't fix things like they say they can or if they can other buy the right to the solution so they can make money so it is all greed and it will not end not even with a revolution
and LaoTzu i love your comment you are one very educated women love to read what you wright
and LaoTzu i love your comment you are one very educated women love to read what you wright
I’ll rephrased that: "representative democracy, in its current state in the United States, is a breeding ground for corruption."
If you are a Constitutionalist, as in someone who upholds the Constitution, it would not include SSI or public education or any social programs, for that matter. Unless you’d like to add those to the Constitution so they are then aligned with your socioeconomic political stance.
The Founding Fathers were about three steps away from being anarchists, but they wanted to protect themselves from others and preserve their wealth and status. In the United States today, anarchism is neither possible nor practical. It would also be dangerous.
I would only consider apathy to be only a third of the problem. Public education I would consider to be another third and government employees to be the remaining. Government employees prop up the system because they rely on the system for their paychecks, which includes all elected politicians. They also take bribes in order to stay in office because they managed to vote themselves the power to issue monopolies. Public education being one of those monopolies has to cater to the teachers unions who really don’t do anything great. They pass children who can’t comprehend the written language due to the stupidity of “No Child Left Behind,” and protest and strike even when there is proof they are doing a piss-poor job. The apathy of the people comes firstly from the fact that government, as it is taught in schools, is boring because it’s not as simple as it used to be. It has become so bogged down with crap that it’s impossible to get a grasp on it in the limited time allowed by the system. If the subject matter isn’t easy to understand and interesting, of course people are going to be apathetic towards it. The second part of the apathy comes from first hand experience of politicians who say one thing and do another and there is really no practical way to remove them from office unless they kill someone or have a sex scandal, but everyone turns a blind eye while they pad their pockets because it goes on everyday. It’s nothing new. A lot of people have come to realize that no matter who they vote for, they’re going to get screwed over.
I agree, the US sets a horrible example of “democracy” to the rest of the world, especially in openly dictatorial countries, but if you’ve ever been over to other parts of the world, they know very little about the US. Going back to the apathy part above, why would someone vote when they know either way they have to grab their ankles and take it? The US is not “champions of freedom,” it is an imperialist nation out to install puppet states.
You can control your government. Really? I don’t think the Wisconsin’s Teachers Union would agree with you. There was an awful lot of protesting and screaming and, hey, even Michael Moore spewed drivel for thirty minutes, but they all got screwed anyhow.
Apathy didn’t kill “Greece.” Greece was not a unified country, but several city states. Athens fell to typhoid, and Sparta fell for the exact opposite of apathy. It was so entrenched in its system of terrorism and hierarchical social structure that it ended up falling apart while having turned all its allies into enemies. A small group inside the city eventually took Sparta down from the inside.
Rome was never a democracy. Even before Caesar it was an oligarchy. Rome fell, not because of apathy, but because of several factors mostly rising from the stupidity of its rulers. (The plebs really had no say even though they had a vote, the oligarchy had more weight.)
It’s not going to be three hundred million people. There are about eighteen million government employees, so they probably won’t be joining in nor will most of those who rely on government handouts (at one hundred five million) or those who work under government contracts. I’d love it if everyone could know their government was essentially useless and I’ll agree that they can’t arrest all of you, but that’s probably not the way it’s going to happen.
I see it happening in one of two ways. One: people grow some gray matter and actually take the time to read and learn and make a decision for themselves and have a quarter billion people march, or two: the people let the stupidity run its course and rebuild from the ashes. Those two are decent provided there are not countless external forces, which there are, in which case we’ll probably see something outlined here in a different thread (I would encourage you to reread the following even if you already have as it fits well withing the context.):
So unless you can get a quarter billion United Staters to agree with you to the extent that you all want the same governmental change and that's not going to happen, you're between a rock and a hard place, back to square one. The government will be its own undoing. All it will take is time.
It's nice to see you back, Wolf
If you are a Constitutionalist, as in someone who upholds the Constitution, it would not include SSI or public education or any social programs, for that matter. Unless you’d like to add those to the Constitution so they are then aligned with your socioeconomic political stance.
The Founding Fathers were about three steps away from being anarchists, but they wanted to protect themselves from others and preserve their wealth and status. In the United States today, anarchism is neither possible nor practical. It would also be dangerous.
I would only consider apathy to be only a third of the problem. Public education I would consider to be another third and government employees to be the remaining. Government employees prop up the system because they rely on the system for their paychecks, which includes all elected politicians. They also take bribes in order to stay in office because they managed to vote themselves the power to issue monopolies. Public education being one of those monopolies has to cater to the teachers unions who really don’t do anything great. They pass children who can’t comprehend the written language due to the stupidity of “No Child Left Behind,” and protest and strike even when there is proof they are doing a piss-poor job. The apathy of the people comes firstly from the fact that government, as it is taught in schools, is boring because it’s not as simple as it used to be. It has become so bogged down with crap that it’s impossible to get a grasp on it in the limited time allowed by the system. If the subject matter isn’t easy to understand and interesting, of course people are going to be apathetic towards it. The second part of the apathy comes from first hand experience of politicians who say one thing and do another and there is really no practical way to remove them from office unless they kill someone or have a sex scandal, but everyone turns a blind eye while they pad their pockets because it goes on everyday. It’s nothing new. A lot of people have come to realize that no matter who they vote for, they’re going to get screwed over.
I agree, the US sets a horrible example of “democracy” to the rest of the world, especially in openly dictatorial countries, but if you’ve ever been over to other parts of the world, they know very little about the US. Going back to the apathy part above, why would someone vote when they know either way they have to grab their ankles and take it? The US is not “champions of freedom,” it is an imperialist nation out to install puppet states.
You can control your government. Really? I don’t think the Wisconsin’s Teachers Union would agree with you. There was an awful lot of protesting and screaming and, hey, even Michael Moore spewed drivel for thirty minutes, but they all got screwed anyhow.
Apathy didn’t kill “Greece.” Greece was not a unified country, but several city states. Athens fell to typhoid, and Sparta fell for the exact opposite of apathy. It was so entrenched in its system of terrorism and hierarchical social structure that it ended up falling apart while having turned all its allies into enemies. A small group inside the city eventually took Sparta down from the inside.
Rome was never a democracy. Even before Caesar it was an oligarchy. Rome fell, not because of apathy, but because of several factors mostly rising from the stupidity of its rulers. (The plebs really had no say even though they had a vote, the oligarchy had more weight.)
It’s not going to be three hundred million people. There are about eighteen million government employees, so they probably won’t be joining in nor will most of those who rely on government handouts (at one hundred five million) or those who work under government contracts. I’d love it if everyone could know their government was essentially useless and I’ll agree that they can’t arrest all of you, but that’s probably not the way it’s going to happen.
I see it happening in one of two ways. One: people grow some gray matter and actually take the time to read and learn and make a decision for themselves and have a quarter billion people march, or two: the people let the stupidity run its course and rebuild from the ashes. Those two are decent provided there are not countless external forces, which there are, in which case we’ll probably see something outlined here in a different thread (I would encourage you to reread the following even if you already have as it fits well withing the context.):
QUOTE (LaoTzu @ Mar 14 2011, 04:25 AM)
I came across this while browsing the Mises forum. A progression of the institution of socialism in light of corporatism (not capitalism as many think it is) as a route after dollar collapse starting at number three considering we're currently in number two:
1. Things would go well for awhile.
2. Slowly it would begin to fall apart.
3. System would collapse.
4. Everyone would blame the small amount of capitalism remaining.
5. Full socialism implemented.
6. No success would come from that. Things would get worse.
7. Communism would takeover with a proletariat dictatorship.
8. That would fail miserably. Society would be completely structureless, no one would know how to run anything, heads of industry would be long gone.
9. Chaos would ensue.
10. Radical left-anarchist and right-fascist groups begin to form.
11. Anarchists overthrow everything. Riots in the streets.
12. Nothing is run efficiently. People keep to themselves, but many continue to riot.
13. Rage for order.
14. New fascist government formed violently.
15. People successfully commanded to get back to work under a police-state society.
16. The economy begins to return and society drags on. Order returns but people feel suppressed and tension builds.
17. Multiple coup d'etat attempts fail due to fascist government wiretapping.
18. Leadership division.
19. Division of land.
20. Civil war ends with legal land agreements but secret centralization.
21. 1984.
It's highly theoretical and somewhat idealistic, but it gives a very good notion of what could happen in the event of a dollar collapse. From my readings and experience, there has been a prediction or "call for" the hyperinflation and collapse of the US dollar since at least 2003. But all fiat currency must come to an end and the US has had the longest running one to date. There's also talk of silver defaults on the Comex coming, but we'll see. It could be business as usual or full-blown, fan-sprayed excrement.
The US people, being the product of fear mongering that they are, will undoubtedly call for more control and "security," both financial and physical, in light of their ignorance, stupidity, and fear and the government will be more than happy to give it to them. There will be those with their firearms who will rebel and most likely end up dead or in small groups in the mountains or deserts, at which point the masses either give in to the Uberwellian State or they make a decision to transcend their ignorance and initiate change and, at the moment, that looks to be, I hate to say, the "Tea Party," the Minarchists and the few Objectivists sitting on the sidelines.
The real trouble lies not in the initial violence but in the prolonged violence of the idealistic projections of the intellectuals or pseudo-intellectuals of each side. And there will be more than two sides. It's not going to be the right versus the left anymore, it's going to be the ecoterrorist Greens, the statists of both fascism and totalitarian communism (communism as it is taught in the text books of Maoist China and Stalinist Russia), the right leaning conservative theocrats of Christianity and Islam waring amongst themselves, the modern liberals, the moderate conservatives, the classic liberals will end up somewhere near the Tea Partiers, and since the Tea Partiers don't really know all that much as a generalization, they'll end up clashing horribly with the hardcore libertarians who actually know what they're talking about and doing, and finally the thirty or so different types of anarchists. All of these groups will vie for idealistic and philosophical superiority while slowly eliminating the population. Eventually one group will come out on top. That's the light version. During such conflicts expect certain groups of individuals to take advantage of the chaos and play all sides for personal gain. Remember all these sides will be out for personal gain, but these groups of individuals don't really care who wins as long as they can position themselves in the proper place at the end. Think of them as wild cards. And know they can be highly damaging to all sides.
Another scenario could be the separation of the US into distinct geopolitical regions possibly along state lines having different socioeconomic political stances instead of another super state.
1. Things would go well for awhile.
2. Slowly it would begin to fall apart.
3. System would collapse.
4. Everyone would blame the small amount of capitalism remaining.
5. Full socialism implemented.
6. No success would come from that. Things would get worse.
7. Communism would takeover with a proletariat dictatorship.
8. That would fail miserably. Society would be completely structureless, no one would know how to run anything, heads of industry would be long gone.
9. Chaos would ensue.
10. Radical left-anarchist and right-fascist groups begin to form.
11. Anarchists overthrow everything. Riots in the streets.
12. Nothing is run efficiently. People keep to themselves, but many continue to riot.
13. Rage for order.
14. New fascist government formed violently.
15. People successfully commanded to get back to work under a police-state society.
16. The economy begins to return and society drags on. Order returns but people feel suppressed and tension builds.
17. Multiple coup d'etat attempts fail due to fascist government wiretapping.
18. Leadership division.
19. Division of land.
20. Civil war ends with legal land agreements but secret centralization.
21. 1984.
It's highly theoretical and somewhat idealistic, but it gives a very good notion of what could happen in the event of a dollar collapse. From my readings and experience, there has been a prediction or "call for" the hyperinflation and collapse of the US dollar since at least 2003. But all fiat currency must come to an end and the US has had the longest running one to date. There's also talk of silver defaults on the Comex coming, but we'll see. It could be business as usual or full-blown, fan-sprayed excrement.
The US people, being the product of fear mongering that they are, will undoubtedly call for more control and "security," both financial and physical, in light of their ignorance, stupidity, and fear and the government will be more than happy to give it to them. There will be those with their firearms who will rebel and most likely end up dead or in small groups in the mountains or deserts, at which point the masses either give in to the Uberwellian State or they make a decision to transcend their ignorance and initiate change and, at the moment, that looks to be, I hate to say, the "Tea Party," the Minarchists and the few Objectivists sitting on the sidelines.
The real trouble lies not in the initial violence but in the prolonged violence of the idealistic projections of the intellectuals or pseudo-intellectuals of each side. And there will be more than two sides. It's not going to be the right versus the left anymore, it's going to be the ecoterrorist Greens, the statists of both fascism and totalitarian communism (communism as it is taught in the text books of Maoist China and Stalinist Russia), the right leaning conservative theocrats of Christianity and Islam waring amongst themselves, the modern liberals, the moderate conservatives, the classic liberals will end up somewhere near the Tea Partiers, and since the Tea Partiers don't really know all that much as a generalization, they'll end up clashing horribly with the hardcore libertarians who actually know what they're talking about and doing, and finally the thirty or so different types of anarchists. All of these groups will vie for idealistic and philosophical superiority while slowly eliminating the population. Eventually one group will come out on top. That's the light version. During such conflicts expect certain groups of individuals to take advantage of the chaos and play all sides for personal gain. Remember all these sides will be out for personal gain, but these groups of individuals don't really care who wins as long as they can position themselves in the proper place at the end. Think of them as wild cards. And know they can be highly damaging to all sides.
Another scenario could be the separation of the US into distinct geopolitical regions possibly along state lines having different socioeconomic political stances instead of another super state.
So unless you can get a quarter billion United Staters to agree with you to the extent that you all want the same governmental change and that's not going to happen, you're between a rock and a hard place, back to square one. The government will be its own undoing. All it will take is time.
It's nice to see you back, Wolf
Hi Guys,i just received this today from a friend.
have look,very interresting and sickening
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/07/a-murdoch-note-gordon-duff/
have look,very interresting and sickening
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/07/a-murdoch-note-gordon-duff/
I believe that the American media movies and such is very explicit in its message. Whether the movies is about Aliens or other factions of an unknown origin or a power at large the message comes through that the one and only way to defeat these powers is to hold true to the values set by the American people. Which is not in itself a bad thing but is being manipulated by factions and the powers that be.
The end result being that there will never be an American Revolution simply because there will always be another war for those who have the ambition and the anger to fight to be easily directed toward. You want the price of gas to go down. Go over here and fight this war for us. Even though we don't use their fuel for the most part and are just hiking the price of gas to get you to fight.
Manufactured wars for those who are suppressed and have an instinctive urge within them to fight that need to fight but do not have the slightest idea about who they should be fighting because the people they should be fighting do not live in specific countries but hide behind coperations which time and time again have brought the American people to war indeed to wars they cant win..
I offer an idea as Einstein would call it a thought experiment. Lets take for fact and assume to be true for the purpose of this thought experiment that it does not really matter how the American people vote. That they do not in fact control the vote for thier own President but that another faction does. (I doubt this to be true but just for the sake of argument let us assume it for a moment). Why would they want Obama to be President instead of Bush? Total oposites in most ways. Why would they elect him to the position.
I can think of several reasons why this would be an asset to anyone who intended to go to war for other reasons in the future through future Presidents. When I consider this I think that there is more than likely a group of people who do infact manipulate and control votes for American leaders.
Just my thoughts . Have plenty more but will let people digest these and see how they are taken before I express any more.
The end result being that there will never be an American Revolution simply because there will always be another war for those who have the ambition and the anger to fight to be easily directed toward. You want the price of gas to go down. Go over here and fight this war for us. Even though we don't use their fuel for the most part and are just hiking the price of gas to get you to fight.
Manufactured wars for those who are suppressed and have an instinctive urge within them to fight that need to fight but do not have the slightest idea about who they should be fighting because the people they should be fighting do not live in specific countries but hide behind coperations which time and time again have brought the American people to war indeed to wars they cant win..
I offer an idea as Einstein would call it a thought experiment. Lets take for fact and assume to be true for the purpose of this thought experiment that it does not really matter how the American people vote. That they do not in fact control the vote for thier own President but that another faction does. (I doubt this to be true but just for the sake of argument let us assume it for a moment). Why would they want Obama to be President instead of Bush? Total oposites in most ways. Why would they elect him to the position.
I can think of several reasons why this would be an asset to anyone who intended to go to war for other reasons in the future through future Presidents. When I consider this I think that there is more than likely a group of people who do infact manipulate and control votes for American leaders.
Just my thoughts . Have plenty more but will let people digest these and see how they are taken before I express any more.
QUOTE (SineWave @ Apr 2 2011, 07:25 AM)
............. Capitalism makes rich even richer and poor even poorer. If you're born poor, you can forget about being rich. If you're born rich, it's hard for you to become poor. There's something wrong with all this isn't it? People are becoming aware, no matter the TV programmes that try to make them not think about the society we live in. The change is necessary. The corruption should be crushed. Our society should start making some sense. I'm absolutely able to kill anybody who would oppress us from doing that as I'm fed up with it.
Cheers! For hope of the better future. There's so much wrong with the society as it is now, I couldn't say it all in one post.
And no, I don't think guns should be legal. I think guns should be PAST. We don't need guns where we should be going... all we need is BRAINS.
Cheers! For hope of the better future. There's so much wrong with the society as it is now, I couldn't say it all in one post.
And no, I don't think guns should be legal. I think guns should be PAST. We don't need guns where we should be going... all we need is BRAINS.
I agree with your views.
In third world countries, irresponsibility, lack of civic sense, barbaric selfishness become the order of day among the majority of the population.
They misuse all the scientific innovations: cellphone, Internet, press, cinema everything. They justify all the wrong doings .
They do not bother about the society and politics around them whether it is micro or macro. They hail jingoism. There is No chance in the nearest future for a social stirring. So nothing will happen in US or Europe. ( They will exploit the 3rd world as long as people in 3rd world are irresponsible and barbaric)
I can't believe this thread started in 2008. The dramatic economic and social collapse in the US is even more apparent today. As to what will happen, I seriously doubt people will do more than just complain unless there is a major collapse in certain areas similar to what took place after Katrina. And then it will be the same group(s) rioting, looting and raping although the media will do its best, at least initially, to downplay the reality. The recent violence in parts of England are a good example of what is waiting for many cities as the failed policies of a series of Western governments is finally coming to fruition. Too many years of promising everything to everyone, allowing small special interest groups to dominate the political agenda and, finally, the widespread outright financial fraud has created the perfect storm. Maybe the biggest irony of all is that the one place where true revolution is occurring, the Middle East, is also the same place that our tightly controlled media has spent decades promoting the notion that these people are worthless savages of no value to the modern world.
I would like to say on behalf of the U.S. , , WE , do not agree with our government. They are simply being manipulated just like the others only we are like the "mainframe" because we had the money to steal to do so. I have seen some (a lot) of posts on this subject showing alot of anger towards us. These are the people that worry me. You've gotta understand, we are extremely upset with everything that is going on and feel helpless because our president signed "THE PATRIOT ACT" , and all the other SCARE TACTICTS that are going on. But WE don't deserve to fall. WE are not what you see US doing. What you see is nothing more than a handful of Fat punk-ass bussinessmen, RICH , EVIL, slobs, who aren't even from here, who DO control the media around the world. If you don't believe me, just look at your perception of us. Do you honestly think this country , as a whole, enjoys DESTROYING FAMILIES in countries where we don't even belong? I know I don't, and my sons and parents sure don't. So don't fall for this cherade , that would be your fault, by your free will. That would make you as bad as them, and know that can't be. PLEASE DON'T JUDGE THIS COUNTRY BY OUR GOVERNMENTS ACTIONS. We feel "at a loss" on what to do. We're waiting for something to break just like everyone else, because we don't want a revolution. And who do we fight? We all agree on this... There's no one to fight. Granted there are some real dumbass kids in the military who believe whatever they're told but when it comes time for them to turn on thier own country,,,, it will be,,,, just a handful , of fat punk asses , who sit behind a desk, who knows where. More than likely, it's at the "Council of Foreign Relations" , which is called that because it deals with ,,, say it with me, OTHER FOREIGN COUNTRIES. It's not us. It's a small group, with offices all over the world. From what i gather, it's mainly (and i hate to put it this way) Jewish. Now with that , let me say, I don't think for one second that all jewish people are in on this. There's no way they could all know about it.
What we need to do , is KNOW THIS, and for all people around the world to realize that we are all ONE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD. And we ALL need to stand together when the s#*! does hit the fan, and not turn on ANY country, but turn on whatever military is invading.
I know if Canada started getting hit, WE would finally get off our asses and make something happen because it would be so close to home that it wouldn't be so surreal.
Really people, it wouldn't be hard at all. When they start this NorthAmericanUnion, which i hear they did in 95. (see canada is already u.s.) idk. Anyway, we have hackers to pretty much stop them in thier tracks. right? Shut them down. As long as WE , as a whole, know how WE all feel. WE ALL , can kick some ass.
We're trying to get rid of out Federal Govt. We need some help.
And i'm sure it doesn't mean a whole lot,,, but to speak for myself ,,, I'M SORRY
What we need to do , is KNOW THIS, and for all people around the world to realize that we are all ONE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD. And we ALL need to stand together when the s#*! does hit the fan, and not turn on ANY country, but turn on whatever military is invading.
I know if Canada started getting hit, WE would finally get off our asses and make something happen because it would be so close to home that it wouldn't be so surreal.
Really people, it wouldn't be hard at all. When they start this NorthAmericanUnion, which i hear they did in 95. (see canada is already u.s.) idk. Anyway, we have hackers to pretty much stop them in thier tracks. right? Shut them down. As long as WE , as a whole, know how WE all feel. WE ALL , can kick some ass.
We're trying to get rid of out Federal Govt. We need some help.
And i'm sure it doesn't mean a whole lot,,, but to speak for myself ,,, I'M SORRY
Hello reigningscorpios and welcome to DS.
No need to apologize for or try to explain the US government.
I agree with Ron Paul in many ways. Seems he feels we are ripe for a revolution as well. At an event of his in NYC he explains.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/...for-revolution/
No need to apologize for or try to explain the US government.
I agree with Ron Paul in many ways. Seems he feels we are ripe for a revolution as well. At an event of his in NYC he explains.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/...for-revolution/
QUOTE (macjd527 @ Sep 27 2011, 10:47 PM)
Hello reigningscorpios and welcome to DS.
No need to apologize for or try to explain the US government.
I agree with Ron Paul in many ways. Seems he feels we are ripe for a revolution as well. At an event of his in NYC he explains.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/...for-revolution/
No need to apologize for or try to explain the US government.
I agree with Ron Paul in many ways. Seems he feels we are ripe for a revolution as well. At an event of his in NYC he explains.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/...for-revolution/
Hi, thank you for the greeting. You know , I honestly believe this is already a global thing and i hate to say it but the only ones involved at all times of important decisions no matter how evil is the vatican, i hate to say it cause i was born catholic turned christian(more leaniant) and now WOW. it sucks. but the pope backed hitler then backed us to overthrow him, he ownes britian, britian ownes us. and anybody who realizes this WILL NOT BE HEARD. So i think it's up to ALL OF US REAL DOWN TO EARTH WANTING PEACE people to unite kindly, all at one time, and make sure we are heard once and for all. and you know , im not kidding when i say i can ask anyone, what the declaration of independance is all about and no one knows what it actually and straight forwardly states. and these people want to call ME a commey. kinda backwards
I mean really, how can the government own a patent (#6630507) , at the same time the FEDS are claiming it doesnt exist to keep this law enacted which destroys families, kills one every 6 seconds. AND NO ONE CARES, i know some do , BUT IT'S DISGUSTING, SICK , EVIL IN ITS PURE FORM.
WE JUST GOTTA DO IT TOGETHER IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION OR WE'LL KEEP GETTING BLOCKED OUT. IT'S REALLY EASIER THAN PEOPLE THINK, CAUSE, THERE'S ALOT OF US but with what i mentioned, how can we wait another day?
QUOTE (reigningscorpios @ Oct 1 2011, 07:01 PM)
........ , im not kidding when i say i can ask anyone, what the declaration of independance is all about and no one knows what it actually and straight forwardly states. and these people want to call ME a commey. kinda backwards
I mean really, how can the government own a patent (#6630507) , at the same time the FEDS are claiming it doesnt exist to keep this law enacted which destroys families, kills one every 6 seconds. AND NO ONE CARES, i know some do , BUT IT'S DISGUSTING, SICK , EVIL IN ITS PURE FORM.
WE JUST GOTTA DO IT TOGETHER IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION OR WE'LL KEEP GETTING BLOCKED OUT. IT'S REALLY EASIER THAN PEOPLE THINK, CAUSE, THERE'S ALOT OF US but with what i mentioned, how can we wait another day?
I mean really, how can the government own a patent (#6630507) , at the same time the FEDS are claiming it doesnt exist to keep this law enacted which destroys families, kills one every 6 seconds. AND NO ONE CARES, i know some do , BUT IT'S DISGUSTING, SICK , EVIL IN ITS PURE FORM.
WE JUST GOTTA DO IT TOGETHER IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION OR WE'LL KEEP GETTING BLOCKED OUT. IT'S REALLY EASIER THAN PEOPLE THINK, CAUSE, THERE'S ALOT OF US but with what i mentioned, how can we wait another day?
Nicely said and vowed.
Do u meant to say that there should be world revolution for New Democracy ?
QUOTE (annamalaiar @ Oct 7 2011, 03:31 AM)
Nicely said and vowed.
Do u meant to say that there should be world revolution for New Democracy ?
Do u meant to say that there should be world revolution for New Democracy ?
I'm sayin, IT WILL TAKE ALL OF US, ALL COUNTRIES, UNITED. Because whether people want to face it or not, these groups they call "the u.s. government"
are telling most all the governments in the world, what they can and can't do in order for them to keep profiting. We had a revolution before, and they still slithered thier way in under the radar. UNITED , WORLDLY. WITH BOTH EYES OPEN. KICK THEM THE HELL OUT, PEACEFULLY
I agree and think we should have a revolution. I think we have a better chance kicking them out violently rather then peacefully. Although I do think it is possible to kick them out peacefully, Im interested in hearing what ideas you may have to kick them out peacefully, if you dont mind sharing, reighningscorpios?
Well, let me see if i can express this correctly.
"The goverment" , definately needs to be overthrown. So technically that is a revolution, and yes , no question, needed.
PEACEFULLY, i feel is VERY important, because , VIOLENTLY, would be a (i feel) , a third world war, which would end up with , them winning. Which is what i feel they've been shooting for , for many years.
I think that they have been trying to push our buttons and trying to piss us off by being obnoxiously blunt about degrading us and taking away our rights, and if you watch them at the congress meetings and speeches, they're laughing at us. But since they're being so calm and "professional" about it, most people feel it is the right thing to do. (followers) .
If say, all of the communities ,such as the infamous, most powerful, super cool DARKSIDE , were to join forces for an ORGANIZED OVERTHROW, it would calm (professional) , and eveyone else would fall into place as a single system. It would be a matter of fact that they ARE LEAVING OFFICE, and being replaced with competent PEOPLE, instead of WALL STREET.
The original being of what "the declaration" and "the constitution" were to withhold WOULD be "RESET" , causing all the corrupted ,"false" laws to be null and void.
Laws like "the patriot act" which ,,,, man i don't get this, WE ALL KNOW WAS ILLEGAL, and should've been handled immediatly,but wiped clean, and eveything that came from it , also wiped clean. To show that the same source of corruption is steering our every bit of life that we've been forced to live, (this rut), you just look at our current president Obama Bin Ladin, he not only didn't see to it that that
law was taken out, he commited the same crime and signed a paper also, to extend it, making "the people" feel ,once again that "they have the right".
People need to understand, the government doesn't have the right to do such things, THEY WORK FOR US. THEY CAN NOT (not up for debate) do things without our permission. (and it needs to be pointed out that it's not the whole government doing this. There are MANY members of congress that have been very upset , and threatened by these groups. They have been trying to get the word out, but there are too few, IN SPATTERED PIECES, to make thier voice heard).
ORGANIZED AND ALL AT ONCE, is the key.!!!!!
This is how it MUST be done, to force the media (BLINDSIDED) to side with the people, where we can just walk in and clean house.
If it's violently, the average person will sit home , scared,wondering why WE are being"anti-government". In thier eyes, it would prove why the government has a law in place to round up "domestic terrorist" and haul them away without trial never to be heard from again. At the same time, our military will also see that and do what they feel is "THIER DUTY". To defend the government. When in fact, "THIER DUTY IS TO DEEFENT US" they work for us to.
I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE MORE PROUD to have fought for us, instead of for The Builderburgs and CFR s, oil companies, and against America.
It would be easy enough to prove these groups have illegaly steered things, and stole our tax money, by putting it into stealing other countries oil, building the "D.U.M.B. bases" , expanding thier companies (things like the builderburgs buying brand new exotic vehicles to sit around in Iraq,while feeding the troops contaminated food and water, while thier job there is to provide healthy situations for the troops) (disgusting mockery)
These things along with MANY MANY others, need to be brought out in one fat bulk of evidance for an open shut case.
The people want them out, they're out.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ "THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE" it pretty much explains it. John Kennedys speech is a very clear cut explanation of what IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
ALL OF THESE COMMUNITIES UNITE, TO UNITE ALL OF THE PEOPLE , TO BRING THE MASSES , TO STAND AT ONE TIME , TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
IN PIECES , WE LOSE, AS A WHOLE, WE WIN, IN WAR, WE LOSE , IN PEACE , WE WIN
"The goverment" , definately needs to be overthrown. So technically that is a revolution, and yes , no question, needed.
PEACEFULLY, i feel is VERY important, because , VIOLENTLY, would be a (i feel) , a third world war, which would end up with , them winning. Which is what i feel they've been shooting for , for many years.
I think that they have been trying to push our buttons and trying to piss us off by being obnoxiously blunt about degrading us and taking away our rights, and if you watch them at the congress meetings and speeches, they're laughing at us. But since they're being so calm and "professional" about it, most people feel it is the right thing to do. (followers) .
If say, all of the communities ,such as the infamous, most powerful, super cool DARKSIDE , were to join forces for an ORGANIZED OVERTHROW, it would calm (professional) , and eveyone else would fall into place as a single system. It would be a matter of fact that they ARE LEAVING OFFICE, and being replaced with competent PEOPLE, instead of WALL STREET.
The original being of what "the declaration" and "the constitution" were to withhold WOULD be "RESET" , causing all the corrupted ,"false" laws to be null and void.
Laws like "the patriot act" which ,,,, man i don't get this, WE ALL KNOW WAS ILLEGAL, and should've been handled immediatly,but wiped clean, and eveything that came from it , also wiped clean. To show that the same source of corruption is steering our every bit of life that we've been forced to live, (this rut), you just look at our current president Obama Bin Ladin, he not only didn't see to it that that
law was taken out, he commited the same crime and signed a paper also, to extend it, making "the people" feel ,once again that "they have the right".
People need to understand, the government doesn't have the right to do such things, THEY WORK FOR US. THEY CAN NOT (not up for debate) do things without our permission. (and it needs to be pointed out that it's not the whole government doing this. There are MANY members of congress that have been very upset , and threatened by these groups. They have been trying to get the word out, but there are too few, IN SPATTERED PIECES, to make thier voice heard).
ORGANIZED AND ALL AT ONCE, is the key.!!!!!
This is how it MUST be done, to force the media (BLINDSIDED) to side with the people, where we can just walk in and clean house.
If it's violently, the average person will sit home , scared,wondering why WE are being"anti-government". In thier eyes, it would prove why the government has a law in place to round up "domestic terrorist" and haul them away without trial never to be heard from again. At the same time, our military will also see that and do what they feel is "THIER DUTY". To defend the government. When in fact, "THIER DUTY IS TO DEEFENT US" they work for us to.
I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE MORE PROUD to have fought for us, instead of for The Builderburgs and CFR s, oil companies, and against America.
It would be easy enough to prove these groups have illegaly steered things, and stole our tax money, by putting it into stealing other countries oil, building the "D.U.M.B. bases" , expanding thier companies (things like the builderburgs buying brand new exotic vehicles to sit around in Iraq,while feeding the troops contaminated food and water, while thier job there is to provide healthy situations for the troops) (disgusting mockery)
These things along with MANY MANY others, need to be brought out in one fat bulk of evidance for an open shut case.
The people want them out, they're out.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ "THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE" it pretty much explains it. John Kennedys speech is a very clear cut explanation of what IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
ALL OF THESE COMMUNITIES UNITE, TO UNITE ALL OF THE PEOPLE , TO BRING THE MASSES , TO STAND AT ONE TIME , TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
IN PIECES , WE LOSE, AS A WHOLE, WE WIN, IN WAR, WE LOSE , IN PEACE , WE WIN
QUOTE (reigningscorpios @ Oct 9 2011, 03:53 AM)
Well, let me see if i can express this correctly.
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The original being of what "the declaration" and "the constitution" were to withhold WOULD be "RESET" , causing all the corrupted ,"false" laws to be null and void.
ORGANIZED AND ALL AT ONCE, is the key.!!!!!
This is how it MUST be done, to force the media (BLINDSIDED) to side with the people, where we can just walk in and clean house.
The people want them out, they're out.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ "THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE" it pretty much explains it.
ALL OF THESE COMMUNITIES UNITE, TO UNITE ALL OF THE PEOPLE , TO BRING THE MASSES , TO STAND AT ONE TIME , TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
IN PIECES , WE LOSE, AS A WHOLE, WE WIN, IN WAR, WE LOSE , IN PEACE , WE WIN
" .
The original being of what "the declaration" and "the constitution" were to withhold WOULD be "RESET" , causing all the corrupted ,"false" laws to be null and void.
ORGANIZED AND ALL AT ONCE, is the key.!!!!!
This is how it MUST be done, to force the media (BLINDSIDED) to side with the people, where we can just walk in and clean house.
The people want them out, they're out.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ "THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE" it pretty much explains it.
ALL OF THESE COMMUNITIES UNITE, TO UNITE ALL OF THE PEOPLE , TO BRING THE MASSES , TO STAND AT ONE TIME , TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
IN PIECES , WE LOSE, AS A WHOLE, WE WIN, IN WAR, WE LOSE , IN PEACE , WE WIN
Very nice.
Media is the biggest challenge because mostly they are funded and patronised by corporates. Then comes police (any country or state) for foisting false cases to lead us to unending so called legal proceedings for no offense except that we wanted to wipe out corruption anti-nationalism and anti-humanism
The Media, the bureaucracy, world leader s( states - looters of democracy) will show their loyalty to their world ideals of Corruption and Exploitation.......... . discussion can be contd.
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