I support bush, Try to Prove me wrong...

Have Fun :)

And some people just like getting flamed. I will get back to you later on your question, for now Im going to read what some of the others say and see how many just want to flame you with out support of why.

Okey-doke

- I hate the way he swaggers around acting like a cowboy, when in reality he's a spoiled little yuppie brat from New Haven Connecticut, who went to an ivey league university where he apperantly learned how to snort cocaine and dodge the viet nam draft... wait, i take that last part back, i actually don't mind that he got high and found a way to dodge the draft, good for him. Not so good IMO however, is that, while he was at the afore-mentioned ivey league school, he joined a satanic fraternity/cult called 'the order of the death's head', which allegedly has ties to the illuminati/informal corporate world government.

- I hate that, before he was even DECLARED president of the u.s., he held the record - by far - for most prison inmates executed durring his 6 year term as govener of texas, earning himselph the nickname "the butcher of texas."

I'll post some more specific ones later on, but mostly i hate that he is willfully complicate (in his role as current front-man for the new world order) in a continuous imperialistic war of occupation, oppression and exploitation that has raged on for at least a half a century now and is directly responsible for the deaths of millions - if not tens-of-millions - of people.

i totally agree i support the baby murdering excuse making nazi by the end of a rope
damn i have done it again i have just broke the uk terror laws.
why dosent he leave the muslims alone and concentrate on not feeding the world bullshit, because he is shit scared of iran-china-north korea to name but a few. he does not represent me or my countries views, its just a shame tony blair is bushs butt plug

god cant people keep their minds free "you are controlled from birth"
what you do
what you say
what you want

capitalism=control

you may think you are not controlled but you are....
this is what bush stands for....
quote:-" i am a war president"

history isnt my strong point but i dont ever remember usa winning one

sorry stand corrected they beat themselves

bush is very good at killing poor people, black people, asian people and destroying third world countries.

read the st james bible
read the satanic bible

bush is in trouble wherever he goes


ps// no offence intended to any one

Ok no flames yet and Im bored so I'll give you my answer now.

He has willfully and repeatedly violated the Constitution of this country and should be impeached.

[quote name='PH8AL' date='Sep 28 2006, 09:19 PM' post='50970']
Ok no flames yet and Im bored so I'll give you my answer now.

He has willfully and repeatedly violated the Constitution of this country and should be impeached.


[/Ok, that is a good one.
well, i think it was right of him to tap our lines... yes it was unconstitutional... however, we have caught a couple of guys who were talking to the al quida establishment, and these guys were just temporaraly living in Marin county, CA, which is about 20 minutes away from San Francisco, CA. So my guess is that they were planning to do something in san francisco, or the golden gate bridge (big tourist attraction/target). yes it does seem a little paranoid to assume that they will attack san fran, but it is kinda hard to belive they would be doing anything else but attack san francisco after talking to al quida officials, and after the fact that al quida told us that their next target is san francisco. i dont think just we should sacrifice thousands of live just to preserve the constitution, but hey that is just me.

but that is a good argument though, most anti-bush people i talk to just say he is stupid, and cannot give a reason why he is stupid. so i give you major props for actually coming up with a reason why you dont like him. good job. :a013:

Hint: If you are going to say bush is stupid use this to back it up, Bush had a C average/ 2.0 gpa, and got into harvard U.
however you dont need anyone smart to be a leader, you just need a person with good leadership skills, if you have someone who is smart and a good leader, you will have...well... Hitler. ]


[quote name='Longshaft' date='Sep 28 2006, 07:31 PM' post='50945']
Okey-doke

- I hate the way he swaggers around acting like a cowboy, when in reality he's a spoiled little yuppie brat from New Haven Connecticut, who went to an ivey league university where he apperantly learned how to snort cocaine and dodge the viet nam draft... wait, i take that last part back, i actually don't mind that he got high and found a way to dodge the draft, good for him. Not so good IMO however, is that, while he was at the afore-mentioned ivey league school, he joined a satanic fraternity/cult called 'the order of the death's head', which allegedly has ties to the illuminati/informal corporate world government.

- I hate that, before he was even DECLARED president of the u.s., he held the record - by far - for most prison inmates executed durring his 6 year term as govener of texas, earning himselph the nickname "the butcher of texas."

I'll post some more specific ones later on, but mostly i hate that he is willfully complicate (in his role as current front-man for the new world order) in a continuous imperialistic war of occupation, oppression and grand theft that has raged on for at least a half a century now and is directly responsible for the deaths of millions - if not tens-of-millions - of people.
[/well that doesnt say anything about his leadership skills, but did karl marx really say that? i thought he was a communist... because that sounds affuly capitalistic to me, but that is a cool quote nonetheless]


[quote name='‡Lěgioņ‡' date='Sep 28 2006, 07:56 PM' post='50951']
i totally agree i support the baby murdering excuse making nazi by the end of a rope
damn i have done it again i have just broke the uk terror laws.
why dosent he leave the muslims alone and concentrate on not feeding the world bullshit, because he is shit scared of iran-china-north korea to name but a few. he does not represent me or my countries views, its just a shame tony blair is bushs butt plug

god cant people keep their minds free "you are controlled from birth"
what you do
what you say
what you want

capitalism=control

you may think you are not controlled but you are....
this is what bush stands for....
quote:-" i am a war president"

history isnt my strong point but i dont ever remember usa winning one

sorry stand corrected they beat themselves

bush is very good at killing poor people, black people, asian people and destroying third world countries.

read the st james bible
read the satanic bible

bush is in trouble wherever he goes
ps// no offence intended to any one
[/well, i dont want to answer this because it is a strong view, and it is hard to say something in response to:
this is what bush stands for....
quote:-" i am a war president"
because i believe in war and you dont so it is immpossible for me to say anything in response to something so... not biast at all, that is your view, he didnt kill blacks, asian, he didnt... oh wait he did, but that isnt the point, try to be a little biast about this and not so communist.]

So!! whats your point??
Were you planning on sharing with us any of the reasons why you support Mr. Bush??


Marx was quite clearly mocking the purpose and sustainability of capitalism when he said that... and yes, he really said it.

erm cant for the life of me think why you would support any war!
if equality=communist then boy am i a red


idea if war is good let the politicians fight it out in a cage i am sure HBO or whoever would love the rights to that one, war oppresses and kills innocent men women and children collateral damage just means ermm sorry we missed!


i am sorry if you felt offended by the responses or response whatever but if you dont want to know what people think then dont ask the question.

as for being bias easy way to look at it pretend you have 2 children and so do i you see the mistakes i am making as i see yours but you never see clearly looking from the inside out! only the outside in!

by the way bush refers to al quieda as a group please inform him its an ideal thats how much he knows about whats real and whats not if it means people like yourself die in a war just so he can continue with his golf will he miss or slice a shot i think not.

[quote name='‡Lěgioņ‡' date='Sep 29 2006, 12:55 AM' post='51014']
erm cant for the life of me think why you would support any war!
if equality=communist then boy am i a red
idea if war is good let the politicians fight it out in a cage i am sure HBO or whoever would love the rights to that one, war oppresses and kills innocent men women and children collateral damage just means ermm sorry we missed!
i am sorry if you felt offended by the responses or response whatever but if you dont want to know what people think then dont ask the question.

as for being bias easy way to look at it pretend you have 2 children and so do i you see the mistakes i am making as i see yours but you never see clearly looking from the inside out! only the outside in!

by the way bush refers to al quieda as a group please inform him its an ideal (thought i better add i do not support the aforementiond in anyway)thats how much he knows about whats real and whats not if it means people like your or i die in a war just so he can continue with his golf will he miss or slice a shot i think not.

during the Clinton time USA was respectable country and world leader
today the most people in the world hate or doesm't like USA

between USA and Al-Qaida there is no difference...both kill and troture people, in many cases inocent...you tell me what is difference between suicad bomber on market place and "smart bomb" targeted on (there was one case) weding....my answer is that Al-Qaida do not even trying to justify their shit
both are producing chaos and fear around the globe.....Al-Qaida is terorist organisation ,so for them it is clear policy but what USA doing wth international legal/law system fears me even more..because basics of democracy are founded in legal system and rule of law...whan that found is destroy...Im asking here: What is left? eye for eye, kill or you will be killed.....

USA under Bush destroying fundaments of democracy and plural civilisation ("Who is not with us is against us"-Bush)
and my final If you support Bush policy than join the army and go to Iraq not Bushshit here
after one year service there come here and telll me please whom you support

clinton now theres a good president just because he liked a cigar?? the republicans it seems set him up what women do you know would keep that dress for months. maybe the republicans fire black and clinton fired a ICBM?

at least clinton had the balls to come to the uk and sit in a normal english pub with normal people about and swig a good ole pint.cant see bush doing that outside his boys club.

Very true.

I have a question for you. That flag under your name is the North Korean flag right? Are you in NK or is that just were you are from origanly. If you are in North Korea the way you speak so freely on the internet would go against just about every thing Ive been led to believe about freedom in that Nation.


Bill Clinton is great so what if he likes cigars and chasing 23 year old Hoes, what man his age doesn't?

Did you see his last interview, man he got mad. bush would never have gotten mad and spoke freely like that, there would have been a 20 sec pause while Karl Rove thought up something for him to say (I swear sometimes you can see an ear piece). No, Bills my boy and Im by no means a Dem (I think Guns are good and abortion is bad, keeps me out of that club)

Bush spent $420.7 billion on the military last year. That is disguisting!
Just think of the millions of ways that money could of been better spent,
such as wiping out world debt.

Bush refused to except the Kyoto Protocol which is also disguisting. Just look at the CO2 emmisions of the US, bush shouldn't of had a choice in the matter.

I hate the son of a bitch, but i respect your opinion.

Clinton was an idiot. If you served in the military during his tenor then you know this already. No amount of silly media hype can compensate.



Bush is a war-monger. But...if somebody just crashed a plane into your house and you knew who it was and how they got the money to do it...would you:



A. Take the diplomatic approach and talk things out.

or

B. Take action.



I'll be man enough to tell you I would take action. People that know me in RL will tell you I hesitate not to slap somebody down. But that's not enough to justify his actions and decisions. And you mustn't forget those that surround him either.




And I'll say it a thousand times. Strapping people to cannons and firing them over their parents house makes anything we've done look like nothing. Look it up.

Oh I wasn't speaking about Clinton as Pres but Clinton the man. We did have a good run under Clinton but not alot of that had to do with Clinton. I give him a 40/60 rating. he did do some good things as president and he failed in other ways.

You are right EV about it should be looked as Bush and crew.

After 9/11 I did support us going after the Taliban and Al Quidea, but I will stand by my stance that that is not what we have done. I have a Cousin who drives a truck for Haliburton and been with them for years so he has quite a bit of stock from taking stock options instead of bonuses. let me tell you he is the richest trucker I know, becuse the value of his stock from before the war has went threw the roof since the war started. Put that in line with BUSHCO ties to Haliburton and its a no brainer. if a trucker is getting rich at the bottom of the company imagine how much of that reconstruction money is going in the pockets of the Haliburton elite ie BUSHCO. Its a blatent fleecing of America in my book.

Then you get to the Constitutional issues. You can't allow some infractions no matter how tempting, because like with any thing else it just invites them to push the line further next time. So in that regard I believe Bush is a criminal and should be impeached so he can be tried on federal charges, will that happen, of course not the Republicans are in full control of all 3 branches of the Government. thats completely do to Karl Roves talent at playing on the fears of the uneducated and Ignorant people in the rurel areas of the red states which are bankrupt with schools that have absolutely failed, the christian right is not completely made up of these people but they are the majority in that camp with a few pupet masters tweaking what they believe.

no Im not North Korean....Im Bosnian but using this avatar because it is so ridicilous and realy put tremendeous light on all this funny creatures in world politic who unfortunatly shape our lives ...specialy see this moto in my signature (The leaders are..bla la) it is connected with avatar , from official page of DPR Korea (it stands above above pictures of Great Leaders)...what a dickheads! I hate politic......realy the uglyiest (not by layout) cretures crawl on that sceen
Bush can fit into this team

Yeah I agree and I would Imagine you being Bosnian makes you an expert on this topic. Its a minority rule system in the states. The Majority of people here would love to do business with North Korea, if we could buy their goods they would be better off and it would be healthy for every ones safety and economies for us not to be standing off across an imaginary line. I know sometimes American companies can be pushy but the Government would have more time and resources to regulate trade propperly if we were not focussed militarily.

Ya know what Im going to start a thread on this topic because I think it is a relevent discussion people should be having.

unfortunatly I had expirienced war...and I wouldn't reccommend that buissnes to anyone....the best description of any war would be: it is like cold mountain river.......gold is sinking on the bottom and shit floting on the top..

for war you realy need to be bastard and you will get rich...all the others are victims.

regarding Iraq war....the bigest profiters are Saudis and American oil kings
just with simple calculation: before war started price of barrel was round 30-35 USD (as I remmember) today is round 70-75 USD.....+ price of productions is same! you do not need knowledge of math for this one...war is very good buissnes

+ entire Bush administartion coming from oil bussnes (Bush, Rice etc)
+ conection of US and Saaudi oil buissnes is very good described in Faranhait 9/11

can you imagine now what would happened if they decide to go on Iran, for what they preparing field (public opinion in the world continuosly pointing Iran nuclear program like Iran is only country in the world which have technology, have good strategic possition - Avganistan, Iraq, Turkey etc.)

+I could bet now that in this case scenario barrel will hit 100 USD in first weekk of that intervention...and remmember price of production remains the same!

so to conclude war is excellant buissnes if you have stomac for it.....if you don't have run as far as you can from it......nothing is worth of internal peace, not flags, not symbols, not ideas, specialy not some dickheads who caled them leaders.

remmemer this..it is very easy to recognise busshiters:
As their ideas/words are greater and ideas more holly and pure more vicims they will produce!

I hear people say that 9/11 justified the war. But what is 9/11, what is Al Quaeda? Does anyone know anything besides the endlessly repeating monotonous set of images: plane hits tower, tower goes down, repeated again and again ad infinitum? Yet the extreme power of the image seems enough. Enough to construct enemies, kill people, destroy cultures, move the world. We believe in the image so blindly that if it tells us that freedom equals slavery or that 2+2=5 we will gladly believe it. We might even try to resist the ones in power but the power of the image is irresistible. In the end we will always find ourselves saying "well... I saw it on TV, it is true." We have been utterly mesmerized by a circus of little photon phantoms dancing on a piece of glass.

gotta watch this pretty funny
drunk???
bush is a tool. no wait tools are usefull

think 9/11 was a terrorist attack.......this might make u think again
(kinda long 1.5hrs but a very good watch)
Loose Change

hi ortin the bush clip was well put together, mad e me wet myself nearly, i have seen loose change i downloaded a movie that wasnt there but loose change was peed me right off till i watched it, and it made alot of sense about some unanswered questions, especially with the firemen from 9/11 who were actually there saying that it seemed to be a demolision job from top to bottom.......although funny a week later some reports started to change.

who caused the tradegy...9/11...?????

im saying bush...

my science teahcer once told me that Bush # 2 is trying to continue sumdin that Bush # 1 started...im not sure...so...

Maybe Bush 1 is pulling Bush 2's strings after all if you can not make a speach without messing it up, how can you run a country?

he can't run a country but he sure can blow them up
and ur right legion bush is just a puppet

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2461062

Wasn't there something about Bush being tied closely to the oil companies....? Texas ..... ? Iraq = LOTS OF OIL....

.: Logical conclusion, Bush is a corrupt politician, manipulated into doing what the companies want. Kyoto Protocol also fits with this... Companies don't want to have to start being environmental, do they? So they just manipulate their PresidentPawn into blocking this move.

Of course, this is all just speculation from what I see on the news, and I can't really back it up because I don't have the statistics etc. or any other proof. But it just makes sense. Otherwise, yeah, Bush is an idiot.

Hi I am new here, but I feel like I should an input in because I find this topic quite interesting.

I am Canadian, as well as have my Bachelor of Arts Degree in History (my main focus is American and Latin American history), so I have been fortunate enough to have been taught a more center and neutral perspective of US foreign policy.

The way I have perceived US foreign policy is basically what some of you have already stated, the US government see huge profits from war, which begins during the first World Wars but takes off during the Cold War.

During World War II the United States decided to be isolationists, however the economy changed to help produce weaponry for the Allies; a change to a war economy where the US made large amounts of profits. After the War, the United States made so much money from countries paying war loans back.

However post-war years saw the rise of the Soviet Union, where the big power-struggle begins. With this large arms race, the USA had to be able to overpower the USSR with arms. Their interventions with Latin America during this time show large amounts of US intervention and civil wars; with the right being supported by the US. Two-thirds of all US trade and the nation's oil imports depend on Caribbean sea lanes bordered by Latin American countries. If the US were to lose this, funds would obviously diminish drastically. This is why during the 70's you see wars in Colombia, Guatemala, Chile, Nicaragua for example. Most nationalist parties tried to create reform in their respected country, taking industry away from US private investment to nationalize the country's economy and industry. The US government saw this as a 'communist idea', although I think they knew their interests were being taken away and supported brutal wars and regimes; the greediness of capitalism.

Capitalism has a Jekyl and Mr. Hyde personality. Us North Americans see it as high standard of living, an open society of prosperity and freedom. To those in 3rd World countries it is seen as a brutal oligarch-type system with a strong military-complex supported by US policies and armies.

A really good documentary to check out is 'Why We Fight' by Eugene Jarecki. http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/ . The documentary does a fantastic job in showing how the United States profits from war and is quite an eye opener. Synopsis: "Inspired by Dwight Eisenhower’s legendary farewell speech (in which he coined the phrase “military industrial complex”), filmmaker Jarecki surveys the scorched landscape of a half-century’s military adventures, asking how – and telling why – a nation of, by, and for the people has become the savings-and-loan of a system whose survival depends on a state of constant war. The film moves beyond the headlines of various American military operations to the deeper questions of why – why does America fight? What are the forces – political, economic, ideological – that drives them to fight against an ever-changing enemy?"

So even though many of say that Bush is the sole reason the US is at war for only him and his friends profit from it, I think its a far more than that and all goes back to the World Wars when the US saw the profits made from fighting. It all relates back to the military industrial complex, where the armed forces and industry and highly associated with political and economic interests. The United States has basically moved into a permanent war economy.

I hope I don't come off as having communist ideas, because I, like most us North Americans live a good life and benefit from capitalism. However I think we have come to a point in society where the world has to seriously take a step back and look at what capitalism has produced. Capitalism is not something that is going to benefit the whole world. Still today, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Under the capital system you will never find a middle ground where everyone is happy.

nice post

whats wrong with that! if you commit murder you should pay with your life. heck i even think if a person who repeatedly molests children should be executed too.

sorry tool i disagree child molesters are lower than murderers and should be first on the hit list even in prisons there is a justice system:-
top of the tree

1. murderer-straight non-sexual etc
2. armed blaggers etc

down to bottom of the pile, wife beaters rapists and child molesters, i do not know much about american systems but in britain the lowest of the pile are hunted and made to suffer so i heard anyway.

and before anyone says yes i know i am off topic

I have this to say. During good ole' Clint's time in office, we were 18 months into to recession (US). Bush wins the election, and he brings us out of the recession. He may fcuk up sometimes but so does everyone else. If Kerry had been elected we would of been in deeper shit. He lied about his war record, dishonored Vietnam vets and dishonored the military when he tried to get a Purple Heart for a wound he cause himself. His economic plan would of screwed America up. Now that the Democrats have the Senate, 51-49, Bush may be in trouble. The reason that Donald resigned as Sec of Def is that he would of been under constant and continuous investigations by the Dems. The very first thing that they did was insist upon Rumsfeld's resignation. Now Robert Gates will be a decent replacement for Rumsfeld as he was the only CIA personnel to start from the base of the pyramid and go to the top. He has the experience needed to fulfill this position.

Now to the prison issue. Texas is an interesting state. You can go by firing squad or so I hear. But yes, if you deny another human being, not under a state of war, or intentional, or being an accident (such as vehicular manslaughter), you need to be punished. In some cases it is good to put that creep down but in other cases, such as child rapists, let the gen. pop. have their fun and beat the shit out of them, kill them, make sure they make friends with Bubba. The whole nine yards. These are my views.

i thought clinton was the best thing for the US economy ?? not a fact its just what i remember reported over here, obviously not being states side i dont know the actual feeling on clinton, but to me it seemed people felt sorry for him because he was supposed to be the best president ever?

maybe we were lied to...........lol.never

Just a couple of thoughts, some "personal" (and thus subjective), and one or two facts:

Fact: Texas does NOT still have death by firing squad in its prisons. It's lethal injection.

Opinion: The economic wheels one president sets into motion are inherited by the next president (and maybe the one after him, and so on. My opinion is that Democrats = higher taxes = poorer economy, and Republicans = lower taxes and better economy. But that's just my opinion, I'm sure people who studied economics & such will disagree.

Opinion: Republicans in the US, at present, are just plain evil.

Opinion: Democrats were given the elections in the US...let's hope they don't screw this one up. For the 2008 elections, should he run, Barack Obama gets my vote. But if the Democrats choose 2008 as the time to try and get Hillary Clinton into office, they will firmly prove just how out of touch they are with most of America (the rather substantial parts of America that aren't either the greater NYC metropolitan area or Los Angeles).

Opinion: In the US, we have been on a continuous "war footing" for the past 16+ years. I'm tired of it. I even participated it, from the very front lines, for several years. But I'm tired of it. Bush Sr. started it, Clinton did nothing to change it or finish it, and now Bush Jr. has been trying his part. I'm tired of it. The fact that most of the US is comfortable with having been on a war footing for 16+ years strikes me as a bit...disheartening.

Fact: George Bush Jr. did nothing to cause September 11, 2001. Those seeds had been set in motion years before. In some aspects, 1100 years before. In others, three or four years before. But he's not "to blame" for Sept. 11, 2001 (and nor is any other single person).

nice to see you in the banana republic again judge do you think hilary will be the first woman president ??? i think it would shake up the US as it seems its a bit like the UK it says theres equal rights etc but they are yet to be found.

it seems that presidents and prime ministers think that if they go to war and win thats the only way to go down in history, maybe they are right but history they need to remember also has a point of recording bad ones to such as Nixon(US) Wilson(UK)

i guess i know where your coming from though judge war does take its toll on you even if you are no way involved the UK seems to have been at war on and off for years...suez - yemen - oman - falklands - gulf 1+ 2
- northern ireland - and probably a few more i cannot remember at this moment in time, but what does it all accomplish ?? absoloutley nothing only, more wars that follow due to the ones before.

maybe off topic but there you go, sorry

Hi Legion -- nice to be back. It's tough being a productive member of the Darkside RG (I don't claim to be, though I try!) with a full-time job, lots of international travel, a wife and two YOUNG kids, etc.

I hear what you're saying re: leaders who wish to have a legacy. I know I'll never know what truly motivates and inspires them. I wonder if it's simple vanity?

I don't think Hillary will be the first female president in the US. Frankly, I don't believe the US is ready yet for a female president. I don't think John Q. Public is ready, and I don't think she'd get the vote. Eventually the US will have one, but I think (and hope) that Hillary isn't it. My two centavos, anyway.

Cheers!

You my friend need an F15 in everyday life it seems and i hope you didnt think i was saying you were not a productive member......i miss your responses sometimes.

You absolutely didn't give me that impression! I just feel guilty because Darkside RG is such an awesome group, and I miss the time I used to spend on the boards. To give you an idea of how quickly this group is expanding, I checked the forums today for the first time since 28 October (sorry!) and there were 28 pages of new posts. Yowza! Y'all been busy! That's a great thing!

But please don't worry -- I know you don't aimlessly cast stones, and you certainly didn't to me!

blame stevi for the posting judge since he got back off holiday hes gone berserk .

Google ..........."failure"

I support most of Bush and his administrations actions, most notably, the war. I do wish he would solve other issues at home such as immigration reform, letting me carry bigger guns, ending the war on drugs, and welfare reform.

But let me focus on the current war.

I know we all love peace. It's great. I don't want to kill anyone, who does? I get squemish around dead people. Most of us do. No one wants to see their best freind's face blown in half.

But let me make a few points to show you my mind set:

-If the U.S.A. decided to remove Hitler from power before he killed any Jews and invaded other countries then the USA would be critisized by most countries in the world. We would be seen as big evil capitalists who were trying to control the world.

- Someone said that the US and Al Queada are essentially the same (both kill innocents). If Al Queada controlled an entire nation (which they somewhat did when the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan), then anyone who wasn't a muslim, or anyone who didn't agree with their particular brand of Islam, would be executed or put into slavery (Iran does nearly this same thing to it's not muslim citizens - theres several documentaries that depict just a few of the atrocities they have commited, and I have a Persian friend who's told me the same).
The U.S.A already controls a nation (is a nation) and do we persecute people of different faiths? No. So we are NOT like Al Queada, even if we have killed many people, some who no doubt were innocent.

You can sit back on your eating bon-bons and watching your favorite pretty faced president on the TV screen while that president sits back in his office and does absolutley as little controversial things as possible just to keep his approval ratings up (Clinton anyone? Well, there's others of course). You can donate $10 a month to your favorite charity. You can buy a Toyota Prius and say that you're helping to prevent global warming. But lets face it, while you're making yourself feel better you still aren't making a lick of difference in the world.

The US Military (with respect to other coalition forces) happens to be achieving more good for the future of the human race (as I write) than all of the Howard Deans and Nancy Pelosis combined.

Al Queada is simply one relatively small orginization, yet there are others who think just like them. Some estimate 10-15% of the Islamic nation. I don't know how accurate these numbers are so don't quote me on them, but all you need to do is research a few of the stories that you don't hear about on CNN (because they aren't politically corret), or even watch some of the well made Terrorism documentaries on the History channel.

A huge number of people want to destroy the United States (first and foremost, because we are the most powerful, unafraid, and influential) and many other "westernized" countries. Let's not forget their tremendous hatred for Isreal.

It used to be that terrorists could only target the US at their homefront (9/11), their embassies (refer to various embassy bombings), and our warships in foreign countries (USS Cole). Things have changed. We now have a massive force deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is now the easiest way for radical Islamic terrorists to attack the US. Iraq receives a steady stream of terrorists from Syria, Iran, and other nearby nations. As far as I'm concerned, they can send they're whole f***ing force to Iraq. We have combat experienced troops with some of the best training and equipment in the world fighting against the bastards. In my opinion we should NEVER withdraw from Iraq until every damn nation in the middle east becomes tolerant of other religious groups such as Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Zorastrians, and others.

Like I said before, I don't want to kill anyone. And innocent lives HAVE undoubtedly been lost in this war. Every way has seen huge amounts of innocent blood spilled. War sucks, but it is necessary. An old latin (or possible greek) phrase says "If you want peace, Prepare for war." It's sad but it's true. If you study all of world history, you will see that this is inevitable. The only thing required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. People who want to force everyone to live a certain way = bad. People who want to let people choose what to believe and how to live = good.

So how do we improve the human race? By spreading freedom, ie., KNOWLEDGE. Knowledge IS Freedom. And I believe the most important classes that they will ever teach is HISTORY. Unfortunately our education system seems to place the least emphasis on history.

KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY IS WHAT PREVENTS THE MISTAKES OF HISTORY FROM BEING REPEATED.

I believe that if we had more people in this nation who were paying attention in thier history classes instead of sleeping and getting high then we would have more people understanding the necessity of certain actions. Now I know a few History majors who don't agree with the war and other issues, so there are certainly other things that influence a persons mindset, however, they atleast have the knowledge which gives them more power and freedom.

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So is Bush a great president? I don't know. I don't know who was a great president. Every one of them was human and imperfect. They each undoubtedly made their mistakes.

However I know that evil exists in this world. One form of it is clear and present. This is why we must stand up and protect the ideals we believe in. If you don't believe radical Islam is a thread, please wake up and do your homework. It shouldn't take you having to be related to a victim of a terrorist attack to realize the reality of the threat. And many people are affraid. Everyone has fear and everyone has their comfort zones. Sometimes it's easy to forget about the troubles in the rest of the world. But if you care about your way of life you should stand up and recognize the threats that exits, and fight to end them. Death comes to us all; If I can't live free than I will atleast die fighting to be free (or fight to free others - the ultimate sacrifice).

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A quick note on capitalism and socialism.

I believe someone here mentioned that you have no control if you are born into a capitalist system.

What gives you more control, being able to choose what you want to do with your life, how you want to make your money, how rich or poor you want to be, if you want to rise to the top by stepping on other or by helping others, OR being forced to work for the rest of your life (and for the same wages) and having little control over how you spend your money or live your life?

Please someone explain to me the benefit of socialism over capitalism. And then tell me you wouldn't like the OPPORTUNITY to run your own company, make a fortune, sell your business, and retire at age 45 living on a beach in the Bahamas.

Capitalism is all about opportunity and choices. More control? I don't think so.

disagree the european union is the most powerful nation on earth they just cant agree to stick together on anything. if your talking influential then china has to be the most influential has its products are poured even into the united states thats why they have the worlds most powerful economy. As for bush if you want to put faith into a man who states that man came from a womens rib and darwin was a liar i think you need to have a good read through your science books.

Also i would compare the modern US priciples with Nazi Germany "Do what we say or else" how much closer could you get. It is also probably the most racist country on the planet, and dont even try to argue that point. It believes if it makes a few black people famous and powerful things are hunky dorey. I dont have a problem with Americans as a whole , theres plenty on this site and i like them what i do have a problem with is the ones who think they are invincable , the US is hated in most of the world because of your comment i quoted at the top of the page.

I remember watching live newsfeed of the twin-towers when a woman in the street screemed " they cant do this to us were americans" maybe thats why it was done. you are not all powerful and all knowing, as far as i can remember you have never won a war by yourselves, and as for hitler took you long enough to enter the war to help us poor lowly countries out.

last question where did the IRA get the biggest proportion of its cash?? ooo the good ole stand against terror US of A. Makes you wonder why the US was totally against a United States of Europe!



liked the post by the way.



edit-- i apologise for any offence i do realise that the US brainwashes its citizens, as i believe its the only country on earth that has to state allegence to a flag from childhood.oooppsss Nazi Germany again!

Good reply.

You're right in terms that there are many arrogant Americans, and yes I did sound arrogant when I wrote that. And yes, China is now very powerful, yet the world still looks at the U.S. and reports on what we say or do more than any other country, in my opinion from what I have seen through the international community.

I also don't at all see how U.S. Principals are "Do what we say or else".

And as far as racism, yes there was this thing called Affirmitive Action which put more minorities into power. In my opinion that is a reverse form of racism as it harms more qualified individuals who really deserve those jobs and those admittances into colleges. I believe the only way to be non-racist is to not give any special treatment to anyone just because of the color of their skin. If I was a minority (I am somewhat of a minority in my particular region but I won't consider myself to be one for the purposes of this writing) I would much rather be treated as an equal than to be given special treatment. And don't for a minute just think that there are only white people in America that are racist becuase there are just as many blacks who are hateful against whites for the issue of slavery. And racism exists among all ethnic group in every nation. Just the way it is, and will probably always be. If everyone would just put their shit aside and treat every one like a human being then things would be a lot better, but that is a lot to ask. So in conclusion you are right, we still are a nation with racist citizens, but we are not the only nation.

Honestly I don't know enough about the IRA to discuss anything related to them. Didn't they fight to gain more freedom from the UK?

I know the U.S. has funded many groups that were pretty bad in it's lifetime. Yes they make mistakes and do things they probably shouldn't have done, but most of those situations, it was helping the lesser of two evils. Example: Iran-Iraq war and Soviet-Afghanistan war (in afghanistan we gave weapons to the taliban to help defeat the Soviets, which they did). Yes we all know the US gave weapons to Saddam Hussein. The reason was because at the time Iran had undergone a social revolution, overthrowing its former leader. At this time Iran was very weak and unstructured. We knew that Saddam Hussein had long wanted to invade Iran. For several reasons the US didnt like Iran. Mostly they didn't like the new regime and saw them as a large threat (one that still exists today), so we helped Iraq try to take control over Iran while they were weak. As fate would have it Iran actually pulled more together and got its military more organized as a result of the invasion.
Was it a mistake on the part of the US? Yes, it was a long and terrible and bloody war and we ended up giving weapons to a mad man. Like i said, the US has made many mistakes in it's lifetime, but that shouldnt stop us from trying to make the right decisions now.

I know you think that the US invading Iraq was a big imperialist move and a big flex of our muscles just to secure our oil future. But any economist can tell you that it would take a lifetime for the U.S. to ever gain the money that it lost fighting the war back through oil profit from Iraq. And besides, the US doesn't control Iraq, the Iraqi people have a real government now! They make their own decisions. We may try to influence them, but in the end the choices are their own. And think about the fact that we just corrected a mistake we made many years ago by finally removing Saddam Hussein and giving the citizens of Iraq a real future - a democracy.

So do all people of faith make bad presidents? Am I an ignorant fool for not believing the theories of a scientist over my own faith in God?
There is no way I could never believe in a God. All you have to do is look outside. Look at human emotions. Theres so many things that happen for such evident reasons that there is no way they could be merely coincidence. I have nothing against those who believe in purely science over faith in a higher being, but it is unfair to judge someone based on their spiritual beliefs. Some of the greates scientific minds have still put their faith in God.



The pledge of allegance is completely unmandatory! Unless you are in the armed forces.

Besides, our flag stands for the principles that our founding fathers built this country on. That is why so many Americans, no matter how much they hate the current administration, still would gladly pledge allegance to the flag - because they are pledging to the FLAG, a flag that stands for the betterment of all people in our nation and the world through understanding, hope, optimism, and freedom. The flag represents the pursuit of happiness.

That was quite a first post, ferret. Allow me some additions or retorts.

Legion, are you accurate in stating the EU is a "nation?" It's not a nation per se, but more of a consortium / commercial and political alliance, right? Definitely not a nation. If it were a nation, there'd be a single common leader, right? Just a question...
Next, again Legion, you simply CAN'T make the comparison between America today and Nazi Germany ever. It's about as far apart as you can get. I'm not even going to go into pointing out the differences. If you really think ANYTHING in the USA today is anything, I mean anything like Nazi Germany, we're done discussing everything else, because you've clearly lost the bubble. I don't truly believe you feel that way, I just think you made a poor comparison in trying to make a statement.
Do you live in the USA? Do you think you really know what it's like here? I can't believe you actually compared the USA and Nazi Germany.

lol judge yeah looking at it now it was a bit over dramatic i suppose. firstly the european union is well not sure you see its like it is made up of states ie: britain france germany etc.. yes they are countries but there is also a european president. but however if memory serves each individual "state" takes a 6 month leadership over all others, its quite confusing really. so yes its a nation but no its not.


i think the nazi statement i made as i look back through the post, you may of mistook.....i dont mean the US internally i mean how it appears to the rest of the world....just with the "do what we say or else" i could of probably used a better example, but its similar to how the nazis viewed the world not wanting to kill everyone i didnt mean like that........it gives the impression of brute force will be used, but some of us ask what the f*** has it got to do with you, maybe our meadia is actually anti american i dont know maybe i have smoked too much weed as a kid and have lost the bubble ( liked the phrase by the way)


ferret i must congratulate you on a wicked intro to the banana republic i enjoyed reading your opinions mate and as judge said what a first post


hope neither of you guys are offended

Hi ferret,

You’ve made a couple of good post there, a lot of which I agree with.

The EU is a complete waste of time with France & Germany for the most part behaving like kids whose toy has just dropped out of their pram…. And if you mention the word ‘USA’ then I’ll guarantee France will be against it. ….. why because unless the USA and to a lesser extent UK are involved nothing gets done … its just a talking shop of bitching & counter ego’s.
The recent problems in the Lebanon are a primed example, France pushed to be in the forefront because of passed contacts etc. in the region and when it got it they backed off and started haggling about clarification of numbers, rules of engagement etc.…. And it still isn’t sorted out!

Only history well tell if Bush was a good president, he’s does have an uncanny habit of putting his foot in his mouth….but he’s likely to be judged on local issues even though 9/11 has changed the way the USA looks at the rest of the world.

Ever hear of the Monroe Doctrine? This doctrine comes into play in almost every war the US has been involved in. It occurred when the British and Spanish were economically involved with Latin America during the 1800s. It then came into play in Korea, Vietnam, Germany, Afghanistan during the Cold War and today it still plays a major role in the war on terror. Today it isn't frequently called that doctrine anymore, but several Presidents have made their own amendments to it and has been used several times with many countries as a justification for intervention. I mind as well name them all off: Roosevelt Corollary, Truman Doctrine, Eisenhower Doctrine, Kennedy Doctrine, Johnson Doctrine, Nixon Doctrine, Carter Doctrine, Reagan Doctrine, Clinton Doctrine, Bush Doctrine.

My favourite quote came from the Roosevelt Corollary and it pretty much sums up all the doctrines, "Speak softly and carry a big stick".



Its more of what the US sees as a 'social revolution'. The same thing could be said about Latin America, the US has intervened and has given vast amount of money to military generals and guerillas who wanted to instill right wing movements on country's who were nationalizing their industries back from the United States because they finally realized that they could not support themselves on an agricultural economy that the United States has pushed on them for years. Examples of countries that the US has intervened in and put the countries into poverty and dictatorships are Chile, Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala for example. Chile has been the only country able to come back from a 20 year dictatorship from US backed Gen. Augusto Pinochet.



An old US Marine by the name of Smedley Butler went public in 1929 to condemn interventions he helped lead in Latin America. He called himself a "rackateer for capitalism" and "helped in raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. And we do this on three continents"

Ferret have you ever heard of Puppet Regimes? This is what Iraq and Afghanistan are. And the US is not the only country to ever do it, Napoleonic France, Russia, and Britain have instilled some sort of puppet regime in another country in their country's history as well.


I know I primarily focus on Latin America, but it is because I am a history graduate, and my main focus is Latin America. But what goes on that continent can be agreed on that it most likely occurs on other continents with US interest.

nice post falseidols i dont really know that much about south america apart from the fact pinochet and thatcher were big buddys.

Hi falseidols,

the only thing I would say is do you think its only the USA that gets up to these tricks, China, Russia .... Iran to name a few will certainly be trying to influence things in areas of interest to them.

I'm not saying in right, I just don't see why America always has to be the scapegoat.

i suppose it because we see more of it in the media stevi so we naturally presume its the worst.

I thinks thats right .... they don't exactly have free press in either China or Iran?

steviweavi I would have to say at the moment, yes. But I think it has to do with the title they hold in the world, they are a modern day empire. Empires impose their law on the vanquished. And it happens when countries can hold such an influence over the entire world, look at the Roman Empire and the Napoleon Empire, they pretty much dominated other countries with violent force and once defeated they applied their laws and ideologies upon them. However in today's context force doesn't necessarily mean violence needs to be used, even though at times it still is. It would be safe to say that the US is involved with every country in the world, most likely through investment. If the United States were to collapse completely, how many countries do you think would be able to survive? Not many. But China is a growing power and their foreign investment in the world is a big factor as well.

You could be correct when you say that China, Russia and even Iran would try to influence things in area of interest to them, however they don't use their military force on other countries to the extent that the United States does to achieve this. China's last war was the 3rd Sino-Vietnamese War in 1979, and internal conflicts with Taiwan. The last war Iran was involved in was the Iran-Iraq war which was started when Iraq invaded Iran. Russia was only involved in wars when they were a superpower the main one being with Afghanistan, since then their army has only been involved in internal conflicts within their country and since WWII the UK has really only been involved in UN peacekeeping missions or taken on a supporting role (ie Afghanistan and Iraq).

If I still am not convincing enough try this, the US military spends annually approx. $420 billion (1st) on the military, China spends $62.5 billion (2nd), Russia $61 billion (3rd), United Kingdom $51 billion (4th) Iran $5 billion (27th). Me being from Canada, the government spends about $10 billion (14th) and I can say that our military is not very powerful, thus I can't see Iran being that big of a threat on imposing their will upon the world. The United States has 702 unilateral bases in 130 countries (and this does not include the US alone), how many do the other countries have?

Needless to say, the US may not be the only one who are up to these kind of tricks, but they are involved more violently than any other country you have named. Its hard to be the scapegoat when you are the one causing a majority of the problems...