That is the one thing I have learned from Michael Jacksons death. Everywhere I turn tonight, I come across a fan of Michaels that is singing his musical praise and telling me how much he meant in their life and that he will be deeply missed. I understand that the man was a real bad ass when it came to musical performances. I grew up as a huge fan of him as well and he definitely influenced me life early on. I get it.

What I don't get is how people are willing to forgive him for hurting kids. Child abuse in ANY form is the worst kind of crime. To place anyone like that on a pedastal is just like saying, it's ok for a grown man to force himself onto a small boy.

I just don't get it.

I don't care if you cure cancer and feed every hungry mouth forever, if you rob a child of there innocents, the price one should pay for it should be a great deal more then death.

To those that would say that they are merely accusations perhaps you are right, further more same goes for global warming and bush won Florida and man never landed on the moon. I mean after all you really just talking peoples words. Not to mention all the families that were bought off to keep quite.

Tell me as it is know and was admitted to that he slept in the same beds as children...I am sure nothing happen.

MJ was a great artist

but a bad man where children were concerned. Although the rumours about abuse were never proven, i am curious as to why he paid soo much money to settle out of court.

His music will be missed, but his actions wont be.

there is very rarely smoke without fire.....and why would you settle out of court if you had nothing to hide?

hopefully the truth will come out one day.

Thats what i think ^^ He was a great musician but a strange man which made him a target for these vile allegations.

RIP MJ

I do not know the facts about Micheal Jackson and his relationship with children and noone bar him and the children involved do either but there was a trial in the full glare of media attention and his accusers appeared to be some people on the make and the whole case looked unsaound -which was ,presumably,why a Jury found him not guilty.

Child abuse is Heinous. I went to a School in Ireland run by an evil Christian religious order called the Christian brothers who are infamous in Ireland (and Australia,Canada and parts of the US) many of us were Physically abused and several were sexually molested but noone was arrested because the Garda (The Irish Police) were ,in those days,utterly in Cahoots with the Church and our government was headed by a corrupt auld fecker Named Devalera who also always backed the church. As a result I hate those who abuse children however.........

Michael Jackson was certainly a very strange man who had been physically abused by his brutal father and essentially robbed of his childhood by the same man who used him as a full time performer. His relationship with children seems highly innapropriate by our standards and it is certainly possible that his interest in children was entirely platonic.What is important is that there was a trial in his case. Back in 70's Ireland we never got our day in court and the Priests involved are long dead.


Lastly companies often settle out of court even when innocent because it is cheaper and easier in the long run to just pay to make things go away . I;m not saying he was innocent but the legal system must run its course and it did .

I'm currently watching a dedication episode to him on 60 Minutes. It's very sad what happened to him...and his face.

He said he slept in bed with children but never had sex with them?

He also said that the song that's almost like an autobiography of him is, "Childhood".

Michael Jackson was certainly eccentric but I don't know if he was a child molester or not. I didn't follow the trial any closer than the mainstream press but the evidence they had against him seemed shaky at best. Whether this was because his team of top notch lawyers made it seem that way, I don't know and we probably never will.

If he was guilty and there is a God or a Hell or Purgatory then his lawyers won't be able to help him now.

Back to the topic title, it certainly reduces the chance of a guilty verdict if you can afford to throw big money after teams of lawyers and that does make the justice system one-sided against the poor.

A jury also foundOJ Simpson not guilty of murder. How many of you think he is innocent? Just putting it out there.

Sooner or later the truth will be revealed and if his really a child molester he's paying now i believe But if he isn't ?? I have always been told that the best way to figure things out is by "sitting in both chairs" and only then try to make a conclusion.. Right is like a equation it's an exact science, prof + evidence + extenuation = sentence.

And as far as i can see nothing could be proved yet..

The poor children that have been abused around the world will be affected for the rest of their lives, it is (technically speaking) impossible to erase those cruel moments from their minds!

Those who abuse, kidnap and sell children should suffer (physically and psychologically) for the rest of their miserable lives and i think that death would be gift to some of them!

Agreed!!!

Different laws and lives for the wealthy.

He was obviously mentally sick with no control.

Let me ask you, if someone nationally accused you of molesting children (and then several more people came out and accused you) would you still have children over alone?

If it was really because he loved children so much, why not have another adult around as witness when he played? (Was the bed not big enough for two adults?)

In any case, I am not happy he is dead. But he was not a good man . A good entertainer does not equal a good man.

I dont know why everyone is against him, I too am a fan, after all he was proven not guilty. More than 200 witness and 30 kids were questioned by the jury, all the kids who had slept in his room said nothing bad had happened. Even after searching his house they dint get any sort of evidence proving him guilty.
To top all that, the kid who was molested asked MJ to pay money as compensation, I mean dosen't that look a bit suspicious, think about it,
If MJ molested your kid, will you ask for money? . I would prolly kill MJ myself.



very true! I have to agree with that. Not all are perfect :agree:

Good point

I agree...
loved his early work but for me the trials and rumours and his crazy behaviour became more than his talent. I think his sad upbringing and a life surrounded by 'yes men' and 'fixers' have brought about his downfall....A talent destroyed by abuse, fame, money, and greedy and manipulative music execs.....

i am so glad i am happy, talentless, dirt poor, and blessed with sound mind.....i think..eek....XX

I agree with you jafiliya and i think that he's innocent too However i understand the people's anger, that's child abuse that we are talking here!

We can't convince the people that he's innocent and in fact we can't be sure that he is really innocent, what we can do is stick to our theory and hope that he's clean

I believe that he's name will be cleaned sooner or later

amen to that brotha,
I totally blame the media, they were trying to bring MJ down, like everyone says its always the wealthy one thats the target.

I agree BB

im waiting to see when gary glitter dies who will post about him ; but a dont think you could buy them off in uk law anyway but Michael Jackson did pay millions to the acccusers but there taken money rather than there day in court is wrong real fans dont or wouldnt believe anything bad about him ; the documentary, by Martin Bashir he admits to some disturbing things

Well, If he is guilty and those kids were molested, I would sincerely hope he dies in hell.

Gary Glitter was convicted in more than one country, MJ was never convicted.

When Gary Glitter dies i am sure there will be street parties all over the UK.

Were the accusations proved? No

Would I leave him alone with my kids? Hell no.

Will the truth ever come out? Doubt it.

If this proves anything, I think I'll stick to with what I believe in. whether guilty on not, he will be known as the KING OF POP! RIP!

mj was never convicted he paid money to the acccusers charges dropped yeah a read ur previous links where he had his day in court but he paid money to the acccusers of other people
a dont get it you post this and say that

I am sure this has been said but OJ in the almost the same court was found not guilty, isn't funny how money does that.

Wasn't OJ found guilty in a civil case?

Money buys a lot of things that's true, but believe me, if any type of unconditional evidence were found the money would not buy his freedom!

Even if he were convicted he would live better then anyone here, and he would have stayed in domiciliary prison! Money is possibly the most influence method available but there's a few things that just cannot be bought!

^I beg to differ judges, lawyers and jury's are can be bought.


Yes he was.

Have to agree with tqw on this one.

Perhaps you're right tqw, and knowing the influence of MJ that could be possible, things must be viewed as they are

But i refuse to believe that and i will keep my theory about him, for me he just suffer the common situation as many other top artists. This will not be the last problem of this nature! The fame has it's costs..

In the UK (at least) i don't think there has been a case of Judge's being paid off in years
Jury's I agree with you can be bought but the English courts are doing something about cases that are likely to be interfeered with Link, in Scotland tho trials without Jurys are common place.

My personal opinion is that people who are famous are MORE likely to be made an example of.

I don't pretend to know how it works in the UK, that being said I did some reading and in the states apparently judges are both appointed to the bench and elected. Which raises a interesting point to get elected one needs funds to campaign and so forth. Where does that money come from, donations both by people and companies. Which might be looked at as simple IOU's.



As America has no royalty, super stars are the next closes thing. So I would think that they are less likely to get convinced. As these people have more money they also have the means to deal with more resources that the avg person to assist in there own defense.

Paris Hilton spent 45 days in jail for her probation in an alcohol-related reckless driving case, i'm sure that her father had enough resources to solve her problem, he spent a fortune with the lawyers and they didn't manage to get her off..

Once thing is certain though there are far more lovers than haters in the last 24 hours hundreds of thousands of file-sharers have downloaded one or more of his albums all over the P2P networks!

He is also occupying 5 out of the top 10 slots on the Amazon Mp3 Album chart


**Edit** Its now 7 out of 10

One she only spent a less then a three days in jail of 45 days. Paris_Hilton Driving violations The only person she hurt was herself. She had so many chances afforded to her due to her status, finally a judge takes a lame stance on her and the sheriff lets her ago..? I know that I call that special treatment. For the record, sheriff is a elected position.



And what bearing does that have on his illegal acts. We have another thread for the fan fair.

My bad tqw i might have rushed up a little bit

Oh I get it you where trying to make a counter point which is more then fine. And I am sure there are more then a few out there, as well as there are more to back up my point.

We must backup our theories

We are forming a defense group for Michael

My part is not theroy but instead conjecture, as conjecture is defined as: In mathematics, a conjecture is a proposition that is unproven but appears correct and has not been disproven. Linky For the time being.

You're right tqw, i was just kidding before.. i knew that paris was convicted for 45 days but i didn't follow her case (perhaps because i don't like her attitude ) so i didn't have a further look into the article that i've seen.. sorry for going a little bit

I agree totally with that. Personally however I think MJ was accusations. In the end he really was a big kid, I don't really think he understood what sleeping in the same bed with them would mean. I don't think however that he did anything sexual with them, seemed a bit like a publicity stunt from the parents to me. I mean most kids that have been sexual abused will never talk about it, especially not straight away and yet these kids did. I can also see why he would settle out of court, to help save his repuation., that opens up more questions though, surely if your child has been molested you would want the man behind bars, not a nice big cash sum.

Anyway it's all by the way side now, I don't think we should tarnish what was a great musicians name for unverified accusations that have just a tad to much reasonable doubt to ignore.

I was just offering up some ideas, as that's what they were looking for in that thread. I never said I love, support or dearly miss Michael Jackson. I just figured he would make for a popular signature theme, especially with all the outpouring for him here.


As for all the rest of the arguments stating that MJ has never been convicted, I'll grant you that much. But as someone said earlier, where there is smoke you tend to find fire. Sure the pay off seems suspicious on the parents part, but think about this:
Your child confides in you of MJ's abuse of trust and innocents, of course you're pissed as hell and want justice served. You contact a lawyer and file charges. Michael sends an entire TEAM of the highest paid lawyers to meet with your average lawyer. The team of experienced lawyers bullies your lawyer, saying things like "Your clients cannot afford to pay you through out the trial, We're going to smash you in court... don't you know the world LOVES MJ?!" and so on and so forth.
So now the lawyer comes back to you, the heart broken and grief ridden parents and explains how much hell the trial is going to be. The legal costs will be tremendous and will surely bankrupt them if the case isn't won, the child himself will be put on stand and suffer through aggressive interrogations and the media will attempt to dissect your family.
"It's best if you just settle out of court" he tells you. "You'll have proven to the world that he has something to hide, you'll save your entire family the torment of the trial and you'll have money to pay for all the therapy your child will need."
What the lawyer doesn't tell you is that he was bullied, intimidated and was thinking of the garunteed paycheck he would get if he talked you into settling.

^ the comments a made there where in responce to what was quoted after a posted on previous page . a edited to add your quote because by the making this topic and offering up some ideas, seemed to me strange you suggested mj sigs showing him to me puts him on a pedastal but its not about you this topic

Let's say some guy DOES cure cancer, and becomes a billionaire. He now has loads of money and decides to help children in some way. He's never had a proper childhood, so he invites children to stay at his mansion and play with all the expensive crap he's bought, hoping to claim some of the childhood he never had. Maybe he's weird, eccentric, maybe stupid, and has the children sleep in the same bed as him, but never abuses them in any way. The child passes this on to parents and suddenly we have a get rich quick scheme. The public already think he's weird, has problems, whatever. It would be so easy to convince people that this guy has hurt children, especially when he admits that they sleep in the same bed together.

So this man is wealthy AND innocent, but no one in the public can be sure of that. In order to save himself, his family, the people that work for him, and the accuser's family the time and energy and pain of a trial, he agrees to a pay a settlement for something he hasn't done. This makes him look guilty, and paints an even bigger target on him, but since he never did anything to begin with, he's found not guilty by a jury when another case goes to trial. He couldn't very well pay a settlement to another false accuser or they'd keep coming out of the woodwork looking for money. This scenario is entirely possible, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if Michael Jackson happened to have a similar story. You may say "oh that's so unlikely" because it's easier to believe that he molested children... just look at the freak. Winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning is "unlikely"... but it seems to happen all the time.

So what if Michael Jackson didn't hurt a soul? Does he not deserve to be recognized for his contributions to the world?

Well said Jason Thanks for your opinion, i also think that he is innocent and their contributions to the world will never be forgotten

I'm not trying to take away from his contributions to the world, both musically and through charity and fund raising events. I'm simply saying I believe the man to be a child molester, with no basis on the way he looks at all. My belief comes from a few other concerns. Mainly, that the child said he was molested. Another factor is that it's public knowledge that all of the Jackson children suffered terrible physical and mental abuse growing up. Granted, there was never any talk of sexual abuse, but that doesn't mean it wasn't around as well. It's fairly common for children that have been abused to mimic that abuse and push it onto others when they are growing up or have become fully grown adults. NO.. not ALL victims of abuse turn into abusers, but it happens more often than not.

Also, it's very possible that after Michael chose to settle out of court the first time around, that's when the false accusation came to be filed. The parents probably figured that he would be willing to pay a second time.

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1996/gg96178.pdf

Social learning theories would suggest this to be true however research data does not agree. In studies that asked offenders if they had been molested as children only about 1/4 reported they had. In studies that follow molested children into adulthood only about 7% become molesters. In fact pedophilia is caused by multiple factors of which being molested as a child is a relatively insignificant factor but it can not be completely dismissed. Neglect is a significant factor and since most molested children were also neglected it is difficult to quantify. What we do know is that about 75% of molested children have major psychological issues as adults, many do not make it to adulthood due to suicide.

He was a very strange man do you guys remember when he hung his children out the window? But replying to the topic it is becoming a really big problem that high profile celebrities are getting off easier and easier. Recently there was that NFL player that was drunk and hit and killed a man on the sidewalk and is only getting thirty days in jail and a suspended license. The list is getting longer of high profile people getting off again and again, although this isnt their fault it is the fault of the judicial system.