On April 1st 2009, during a demonstration against the G20 summit in London, Ian Tomlinson,a newspaper seller, died on his way home from work. A postmortem indicated that he had suffered a heart attack and had died of natural causes

Police at the time originally denied they had had any contact with this man

The following week, a video was released by a british newspaper showing that Tomlinson, who was walking along with his hands in his pockets had been hit on the back of the legs by a police officer wielding a baton, then pushed to the ground by the same officer. A second postmortem said that Tomlinson had died from an abdominal haemorrhage, cause unknown.

The officer concerned (who had earlier removed his shoulder number and covered his face with a balaclava before hitting Tomlinson) was a member of the Territorial Support Group (formally the SPG), a highly trained arm of the police services. However, the senior officer in charge of the police operation announced recently that police no longer receive sufficient training in tackling public order - and that Frontline officers lacked specialist training and were 'quite scared' of violent protesters . "Officers only received two days' training last year", said one senior Commander. He added that the video footage that has emerged of individual officers had not "particularly concerned" him."From what I've seen officers were doing what I have asked them to do under very challenging conditions," he said.

A senior police investigator even went so far as to say to Tomlinsons family that the officer who struck Tomlinson that day could easily have been a member of the public dressed in police uniform.

Now it seems that the officer concerned had been wrongly re-employed by the Metropolitan Police after leaving while facing a serious disciplinary charge.

One can only wonder
a) how "independent" is the IPCC (Independent Police Complaints Commision) who are investigating this (they had tried to get an injunction to stop Channel 4 news showing new footage of the incident)
b) how long before more atrocities, police brutalities and cover-ups are discovered (before being dismissed by the IPCC)

Makes one wonder if the British Police are starting to take After thier American Brothers..... tis a common occurance in america to get the shit beat out of you by your local Police.

damn they just can do any shit to anybody they want to.

I am sure their is a term for it but it is a common thing unfortunately. It is so common in any type of supreme authority figures. Must be something about "being in control of your fellow man" or something but it is uncalled for and revolting. I dont know how us common folk can battle such an outrageous occurence but it is definitely a growing problem. I would like to give my props to the ones out there protecting and serving however few they may be.

Funny, every interaction I've had with a police officer has always been very positive. Numerous officers across 10 states. Interactions lasting anywhere from 10 seconds to an hour, male or female, and almost every race. Maybe you're just talking about the 40 I haven't really visited...

I think it depends on where you live and the soco-economics of the people that are governed.

well at least in Portugal i believe the police has little power. less than it should have. they can't shoot at somoeone who is trying to escape from them or they get fired or something. they must be more times shot then times they shoot. it's a little sad really. they can't do anything to the "porr little" criminals...

I can understand what you mean, but I would say that correlation is not causation. Most people whom feel they are mistreated by the police are generally uneducated and poor. They believe that the cops are only there to give them a hard time so with that mindset they have a different attitude towards them. Respect is a 2 way street, why should cops feel fully obligated to help those who wish them to be nonexistent?

I to have had many experiences with police in different states and every time they returned the respect I showed them. Funnest thing ever when I made an illegal uturn on the pacific hwy the Laguna policy gave me a written "courtesy notice" that explained my violation was serious and hoped this notice was enough to change my behavior. I was so shocked didn't even get a fine.

I know that there are bad people in every profession but most are there to help which is why they get the benefit of doubt. Unfortunately the bad ones will abuse that privilege.

Honestly I don't understand where you find that it is a "common occurrence" for police to beat the shit out of you in the USA. That being said, It does happen and I'm sorry to hear that it happened to this innocent man. I'm sure he is not the only one and it is truly sad.

Police think they're above the law, plain and simple. The use of cell phones are prohibited where I live and one must use bluetooth to talk while driving, yet I see cops cruising around town all the time. I abide the speed regulations and see cops go zooming by, not on a call or anything, just speeding for no reason. Hence, I don't like police.

Police are easy people, well I don't know here in the UK because I never dealt with any police. but when I dealt with Policemen in Italy gosh they don't give a d**m. They find yuo smoking weed, oh well don't do it again.

They find yuo smoking weed, oh well don't do it again.
They catch you without seat belt/ helmet( on a mopead), tell them any kind of bulls**t and they let you go
They catch you staling: offer them half of the package and leave freely
They catch you making graffiti: run away they are not going to follow you

Police over where I lived in Italy they can't be bother to take you down the station and start all the papaerwork, so thery just let you go


Watching some documentaries regarding american police they are truly over their heads and drunk with power and no one seems to do nothing about it and loads of innocent people are going to be prosecuted for something they didn't do

I agree. Just like anything there are good ones and bad ones you just dont hear about the things the good ones do you just hear about the bad stuff.

/\ /\ /\ Gotta agree w/that!

Back to Charnel's orig. post tho', it's been almost 3 weeks. Can you tell us if anything else has been done? Or publicly mentioned?
That's something you notice a lot here, you'll get a glimpse of something wrong and then it becomes hard as hell to find a follow-up.

gooday mate - hola parcero:

yep, they can get away with any sort of crime if he-she-they have more power, money, and/or there is no witness and the facts are confuse.

unfortunately, we live in a jungle, no matter the country and these things happen. life is not fair.

worst thing is do nothing. if you were affected think before you act, use logic and common sense.

see ya

One of our Members posted a link to a site that has really bolstered my opinions of our Nations downward spiral into unlawful abuse at the hands of the powers that be..I have spent the last couple of days reading (when my eyes would allow me to..) through all of the links offered in the initial site..I know there are some very intelligent people here at Darkside that will probably think here's knightron again with his anti political speaches and drivell,but I feel that its important for everyone who lives in England to understand just how much our civil liberties and rights under "common law" and "Statute" law are being used against us ,That very fact goes against the reasons why they were put there to protect us from the people who have gained power and now rule over us..

Police and the constabulary have been using drachonian powers and citing laws that are not laws to get us and frighten us into doing their will for a long time.I have been reading and trying to digest the magnitude of what I have read in these paragraphs and have come to the conclusion that we need to act now to get into a situation where only people who are doing wrong ,i.e. causing physical harm to others and their properties should be the only people who are persued for justice..I`m not talking about fines because you have been speeding or fines because you have`nt paid your TV licence I`m talking about real criminal activity that is becoming the bane of our society..

I`m only going to quote from the same source here and will put the url for all to see at the end of this post..





Lectlaw

Now thats an interesting proposition...A police officer can arrest anyone he feels may be involved in a fellony ,but does so at his own peril...Unless he can show proof of the person in custody is guilty.....That puts paid to holding you in remand..They must prove that you have broken the law before they arrest you other wise they are breaking the law of the land by holding you against your will....even worse... with out your consent.!


Criminal Evidence Act 1984
Under the above laws I have the right to refuse to go with a police officer at any time...

Source

I thought that it was a very interesting read and certainly gives food for thought about how we understand powers used against us are actually listed and twisted to suit..!
So what do you guys think about it.!

We're always taught the police are there to protect us. They are not. They have no obligation to, whatsoever. If they had an obligation to protect you, you could sue them if your car was stolen because they should have stopped it. Look at Bowers v. DeVito.

I have a friend who was pulled over for not wearing a seat belt in California. The officer who pulled him over gave him a ticket which he refused to sign. She said she was going to arrest him if he did not. That would be duress. He said that was unconstitutional and started citing case law. She pulled her fire arm and said the constitution no longer applied because it was too old. He was doing surveying at the time and had a video camera in the car running the entire time. He was forcefully arrested and incarcerated for sixteen hours.

She was charged with violating her police oath to uphold the constitution, uttering threats with a deadly weapon, acting as a mercenary on behalf of the state without permission, unlawful imprisonment, unlawful arrest, and a few other things I can't recall at the moment. She was fired, fined $500,000 and sentenced to five years on prison.

Aren't video cameras handy?

Police pretty well do whatever they want. They don't know the law as it's written, and if they don't like you, they go through their little book and charge you with something out of that. In the US, if a cop asks you for identification, you have no obligation to show it to them as stated by Brown v. Texas.

This is what I mean by knowing how the law personally applies to you. People just do what they're told.

Government is men and women providing services at the barrel of a gun. Pay or get shot.

We're not taught that they are there to protect us where I live. I was always led to believe from an early age that their purpose is to uphold the law
They are indeed, Although the UK police have recently been taking umbrage whenever they are photographed or video'd. Even though its not been criminalised yet (as such) to film or photograph the police (official statement), they would nevertheless like it to be an offence (example)

This is the second time i've seen this bull shit of people blaming Americans for their violence with police or citizens. take some F-in credit for your own damn problems.
My Mom just started taking criminal justice classes here in the U.S. and i've been reading with her, Do cops here have too much power? Can they get away with more? Well i've seen both sides. I've been stomped by police and its not fun..but were they right? not at the time, i was pissed and if it hadn't been a cop i would have bounced his head off the concrete, but it was so i took the beating. Was i resisting? no. i just sat there. So yes they were wrong. But hen i re-evaluate it and i look at the situation. I was hanging out with two previously convicted felons, and i was not sober (not drunk either). Now they've been taught to protect themselves, others and their partners. So if there is five of us f-ed up dudes hopped up on X, and there is two cops, they're going to do what they've been trained to do..take us down. For their safety and ours.

I do see the other side though, there's been times when the situation fit to be safe, and yet they still layed into a buddy of mine. He has no criminal record either. So there are times where i look at it and say this; Certain police officers know the line, where its acceptable to beat the perp until he's no longer moving, or taser him. I personally would rather be beaten because tasers suck. Now police need to know when to do these tactics and when to not. They need that judgement or their needs to be a better punishment if they do it and they're caught. Because if that is the case, they'll think twice before they act.

Regardless of how OUR police act, its not a scapegoat to how other countries police act. its not fair to use our "mistakes" and justify them for why your countries authorities are doing it.

Again just my two cents..

lets pour the drinks my friends..

I have looked at answering your post a few times Black2sheep3 ,I was trying to find a tactful way of answering without you thinking I was taking the piss..I think its all about how people from around the world percieve the Police in the USA.I don`t know if its the case in the USA,But here (UK)there are always programs on Television the are showing police in a light That is not always pleasing..(is that tactful?.. ) What I think the quote you were answering to meant, was that the Police Here in the UK are now on TV just as much as their American counterparts and we are now seeing what has been going on outside the Public view for the first time. I too have been on the recieveing end of a coppers boot on occasion when I was younger,Did I deserve it?..that is the question...I have also had to rescue a copper a few years ago when he decided to Open his mouth to the wrong person in a unprofessional manner without just cause, He was recieveing the Beating of his life when I stepped in and stopped the guy from killing him..Again it all boils down to attitude..Respect is earned and In my opinion not to be given lightly,Some Police Officers think that resect comes because of the Uniform and as such weild their Badges and uniforms like a mighty sword. I don`t think that Kenoath was making a Blame on the American Police, Mearly pointing out his perception of them because of the Media coverage we have seen about them...

especially in Florida they have a pet peeve about wanting to kill people for not having lights on their bicycles in Manatee county you will be jailed (and possibly beaten) for driving a golf cart on the sidewalk

A few recent news stories that point toward a growing problem.

A ten year-old girl in Ozark, Arkansas was tazered by an officer after her mother called police because the girl was throwing a fit. The cop arrives to find the girl screaming and yelling on the floor, and the mother tells him to shock her with his tazer. The officer tells the girl he's going to take her to jail and proceeds to carry her to his squad car. Before he makes it to the door with the little girl, she kicks him in the testicles. He then shocked the little girl "very, very briefly." The little girl was then taken into custody and placed in a youth shelter.

My only question is this:

A grown man needs a tazer to subdue a ten year-old GIRL? Seriously? Had it been the parents who shocked the child, they'd be locked up for abuse. When it's an officer of the law the rules are different.

In Milford, Connecticut two drag racing police officers were responsible for the deaths of two teenagers. The officers were racing late at night and were not responding to any calls. Their emergency lights were off and a dash camera inside the trailing officers cruiser caught the horrific accident on tape.

In my own hometown of Murfreesboro, Tennessee a detective involved in a fatal collision with an eleven year-old pedestrian will face three separate trials for reckless homicide, tampering with evidence, and giving a false statement to police. The computer in his cruiser recorded that the detective was traveling just over seventy miles per hour in a thirty mile per hour zone just one second before he struck the young girl. He was not responding to an emergency call at the time. Witnesses reported seeing the man dispose of alcoholic beverages before attending to the girl or calling for help. The witnesses carefully recovered the bottles which later were proven to have the man's prints on them. When trying to explain what they had witnessed to responding officers they were threatened with arrest for impeding the investigation of the scene and the bottles were ignored. The lead investigator was placed on administrative leave for failing to collect evidence in the case.


I understand police officers are people just like you and I. My problem with law enforcement is the double standard placed on these individuals. A badge should never be a ticket for a free ride or a reduced sentence. If anything, these people should be held to a higher standard and punished accordingly when the public trust is broken. They know the law. They enforce the law. When they break the law the punishment should be steep and swift.

I don't understand why law enforcement officials protect those who reflect shame onto the rest of them. Tear down that blue wall of silence Mr. President. The public deserves a policing agency it can trust to faithfully carry out it's duties as keepers of the peace.

They do not know the law. Most of them don't know the statutes either. They just do whatever the hell they want.

Well, first of all, down in New Orleans, there is alot of police brutality. I do know several officers, and they are very kind. And Black2Sheep3, America has become a very selfish and rude country. We are slipping down the drain, and I am willing to bet my best horse that we won't be getting any better. We are a very spoiled country.

No offense. And Black2Sheep3, remember that this is coming from an actual American.

Humans in general dont know how to use 'power' in any form, we only end up abusing it. A college experiment years ago prooved it, the one where a class got divided in guards and prisoners. Even when the students knew it was only an experiment and that the prisoners were their classmates, the guards ended up abusing the powers given to them massivly. And we always say that the police is there to protect us and all that crap. And in essence thats true, but we do give them powers over others, and again, as many experiment showed, humans can not handle power. Look at any conflict in history, you always find abuses of the ones holding power over others. The conflicts police have to go to are no different. Would better and longer training of our police solve it? Maybe, but i doubt it.

aint that tru. they do whatever the hell they want.

Well the bankers at the RBS are threatening to resign if they dont get their bonuses, as far as I can make out the policeman who delivered the fatal blow to Mr Tomlinson at the G20 demo is still suspended on full pay, with no word on when (or if) the Independent Police Complaints Commision intend to pass the case over to the CPS so he can answer for his crimes in a court of law -and a Lithuanian protestor who tried unsuccessfully to set fire to some window blinds with his cigarette lighter has been sentenced to two years for attempted arson (he'll be deported later).

The transparent and fair british justice system, dont ya just love it!

Lol, Does it not occur to you that the fact we have police is and of itself a sign of a failed social system? The origins of all police forces lies within the premise of protecting the wealth of the haves from the have nots. There was a time, in the not too distant past where people were executed for a stealing a loaf of bread to feed their families. It was the law. The police are there to uphold the law, the law is there to protect the wealthy from the poor. And as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, we will see the rise of a police state, and in fact in the U.S., it is already there. Homeland Security is nothing more than Orwellian double-speak meant to deny you Americans of your Constitutional rights.

It really does amaze and disappoint me how stupid the vast majority of people are, for it seems like such an obvious thing. The greater the disparity of wealth , the greater the need for police. See Zeitgeistmovie.com . Read anything by Naomi Klein particularly her latest, The Shock Doctrine. If we all had our inalienable human rights met, then there would not be such a need for a police state. But the fact is we don't. Governments serve the wealthy elite, and not the general population.

Wake up to the revolution.
The time is now.

Here in Canada the police are a law unto themselves. some are trying to change that and have an independant civilian watchdog

if we didn't have a camcorder or phone/video on them in the robert dziekanski case,

who knows how much worse their story would have been. as it is, they lied through their teeth. i know they have a tough job but can't they at least be

honest? i shutter to think of all the lies we have been told and believed because there was no reason not to. now i put police in almost the same

category as politicians. "how do you know when a politician is lying? when his lips are moving."

I grew up the child of a cop here in Canada, in a city that in the '70s had the highest number of millionaires per capita than any other city in Canada.......we also had the highest number of cops per capita than any other city in Canada. Go figure.

My parents were taught to respect the cops,lawyers,politicians,doctors, you name it, anyone in a position of authority was to be respected and never doubted. Is it no wonder the world is as screwed up as it is. And while I see having cops is a necessity in this society that we have, I also see their presence as a failure of society. And as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, we will see an increase in the number of cops walking the beat.

So, yes it is true, power corrupts and that is what we see with law enforcement agencies everywhere. You mention the robert dziekanski case, what about all the wrongful convictions due to either police incompetence or worse......I've been thinking about a product that could make millions, its called a cop-cam, fits in your car and records everything that goes on. Mass market it on the internet and it could be a big hit. ;)




How about simply a more just and egalitarian society where everyone has their inalienable rights met, and not a society that hands out corporate welfare checks in the millions of dollars, while citizens go hungry on the streets because an individual's welfare will barely cover rent. Any society built on a premise of inequality, such as ours, will require a brutal police state to keep its rabble rousers in check. SO, no , we don't need to better train cops, we need to eradicate the need to have them in the first place.

It's been happening in N.IRELAND for years

Unfortunately this has been going on ever since man has chosen to place a few of his fellow men above others. Power corrupts, I myself have been a ´victim´ of the Police, too long and boring to go into here, but because the woman involved knew the police it all went in her favour, even though she drove at me while I was on a pavement. End of. I don´t know if there is anything that us lesser mortals can do about it, but I doubt it. I have no faith in the police or the legal system. IMO

Seems like the cop who assulted Ian Tomlinson from behind on april 1 2009 at the G20 summit, which led to him dying is not going to face any charges over his death. Apparently there "was "sufficient evidence" that the officer's actions "constituted an assault" and the CPS had considered two assault charges - actual bodily harm and common assault - but decided not to proceed with it." more here
The cop killer in question has been on full pay sick leave until now and the police denied even coming into contact with Tomlinson until the video obtained by channel 4 was made public.

So there you go, police can and do get away with murder - cant say I'm surprised by the ruling, it was looking like this would be the outcome since it first became public

I find it kind of ironic that this ruling should come out on the anniversary of the murder of Jean Charles Menezes who was shot in the head seven times by police at Stockwell tube station five years ago (also "insufficient evidence to prosecute any of the officers")

filthy scumbags-in my opinion

I guess here in the States we have become somewhat more immune to police violence as it occurs so often. I heard on the news about a month ago that in Detroit alone there had been 9 police shootings resulting in death in the first six months of 2010. One of them a 7 year old girl. Again, all considered "Justified Shootings".

Two recent incidents come to mind. The 7 year old girl - Police raided the house, neighbors and the person they were after (He was outside when the police arrived and was in custody before they even entered the house) Informed the police that there were children in the house. They proceeded to shoot flash-bang grenades thru the windows. One landed on the 7 year old girl severely burning her. Upon entry into the smoke filled house the little girl was shot by police only moments after they burned the sh*t out of her, supposedly in the confusion and poor visibility. Just like to point out here that the poor visibility and confusion was all because of the police, and in my opinion shouldn't be an excuse to shoot dead a 7 year old child, especially bearing in mind that the person they were after was arrested before they even went into the house, and htey were informed that there were children in there.

Another one was, this is the story according to the police, 7 police officers responded to a call about noise coming from an abandoned house. Upon entry they heard what they considered to be gunshots directed towards them. Police returned fire killing one suspect, and wounding another (He later died) attempting to flee (he was shoot in the back). One police officer was killed and one wounded. Later it was stated by neighbors that the police were the first one to start shooting. Neighbors claims were dismissed as misunderstanding what had happened. It was released by police that both suspects had a "criminal history". As if that was justification to shoot one of them in the back (as he is running for his life, no doubt). It just seems to me that there is more to this story than they are saying.

A couple of holes I see in the version of the story by police - Why would seven police officers respond to a noise compliant in an abandoned house? In Detroit it could take them an hour or more to send one car to investigate claims of gunshots, but they supposedly sent 7 to a noise disturbance? How was the "suspect" attempting to flee the scene a threat to the officers that warranted shooting him in the back? We will never hear the true story as the only once to survive the incident were police officers, and neighbors, but the neighbors "misinterpreted what they saw."

There was a statement earlier by someone claiming that it was the uneducated and lower income members of society that don't like the police. I find that a frightening view. I would hazard to say they are victims of the police more than those who are better off, simply because the lower income people have no means to fight back, lawyers and such, which makes them easier to bully. I myself have no criminal record, in fact my worst offense was not paying a speeding ticket on time, yet I don't trust them, and in fact make every attempt to avoid them. The police have no regard for the law, they speed for no reason, run stop signs if no is at the corner, talk on their cell phones while driving, don't wear seat-belts. Yet they write people tickets for doing the very same, and these tickets are outrageous, my last speeding ticket (2-3 years ago) was $300.00 for doing 10 MPH over on the freeway, and if you don't pay they will issue a warrant, and arrest you. So by not having $300.00 to pay a speeding ticket you could become one of those "incident happened while police were attempting to arrest a subject with an outstanding warrant" story's.

If you can Find it there is a Documentary called Brutal Reality: The Rise of the Police State, it chronicles dozens of cases of people being victims of police brutality that had done nothing wrong. Figure if they have literally dozens in one movie and many videos, how many are there where the people were not fortunate enough to catch it on tape. I have quite a few links in a folder that as soon as I can find them Ill post, here are 2 that I had in my bookmarks.

http://www.videohazard.com/police-brutalit...ile-kids-watch/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCrc-3-I82U...;has_verified=1

The 2nd link is actually so bad that you have to sign in to verify you are an adult, worse it happened about 12 miles from my house here in South Carolina.

Odd stonehenge00 mentions my home town, I once made an off handed comment to a Detroit cop that was hassling us about how he was gonna knock us over the head without a mag light and he responded that he didn't need a mag light its why he caries a pistol.

A link in particular Im trying to find is some under cover work by ex cops that go to police stations and ask for a form to file a complaint against an officer, the law states the have to give them freely with out question if asked for one, yeah right.

I have met some good cops but most are just douche bags with a badge and gun. What concerns me is the ever encroaching militarization of our police forces, flash bangs in a house with children. The Law in Michigan states that if all they have is an arrest warrant and the individual is outside a residence they do not have right to enter.

This article here http://www.countercurrents.org/lundberg030410.htm is relevant on this issue and many others we face today.

There are always going to be some 'rotten apples', in any barrel, so to speak. The British police, are in the whole, pretty good at their job. But obviously one or two, often get a bit over-enthusiastic about their role in society. We need to weed these types out, and get back the standard we should expect.

Watchword of the day: If you suspect a Police Officer is userping his authority, report the matter immediately to his superior. Prefferably by letter, and always keep a copy safe, just in case.

I've always found that the cops today have some kind of spell put on them - it's like they think they're telepathic..!! The older ones have the instinct - but the young ones just don't listen... I wish to God that if I ever had a problem - I get somebody with a bit of experience...

No police officer has ever been charged in connection with the death of a civilian in Britain or Ireland. And clearly, even in the digital age, when the public can use technology to hold wrongdoers to account, like the state, there is no reason to interrupt that pattern.

The message is clear: video evidence is the prerogative of the state alone. The police watch us, and our attempts to watch them back are fundamentally suspect, especially when we happen to catch them doing something a bit naughty, like, just by way of example, pummelling an innocent newspaper salesman to death.

The eyes of the world will be looking on with incredulity as yet again a police officer is not facing any criminal charges after what is one of the most clear-cut and graphic examples of police violence that has led to death.
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Yes, that case is particularly galling, since the cop in question has already been hauled up twice for excessive violence on the job. And they find he has no case to answer? Your attached image is very apt Charnel.

My late (thank goodness) brother-in-law was a cop in the Met. He was, without a doubt, one of the most unpleasant people you could wish not to meet. I remember as a teenager being appalled when he bragged about how he and his partner had wound up a bunch of black lads, with the express intention of making them retaliate so they could give them a good truncheon beating. (He was a racist b*stard, too). Needless to say, I had no contact with my sister for more than 30 years, until her pig of a husband finally got his just desserts.

I have met a few really good guys who are or were cops, but the majority seem to go through a personality change as soon as they get that institutional edge over everyone else.

As they say, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Well look at the Rettendon triple murders 3 men found in a Range Rover in 1995.
Tony Tucker Pat Tate and Craig Rolfe.
Now im not saying the police did it,but it makes you wonder.

They've used 9/11 here in the U.S. & 7/7 abroad to clamp down on us all. It's extremely sad, using our current system we can only vote & protest, anything else is considered a "terrorist act"

We all know who the real terrorist are... the very government agencies who are no longer afraid of their populace.

Governments were formed to serve the people & have gotten way out of control, they serve it up to us like it's something good to give up our rights.

The world is ripe for revolution, but who will have the strength and wisdom to step into that abyss?

A while back I overheard a conversation between 2 sheriff deputies in Rhinelander, WI (oneida county) and one was informing the other that they just got in their new "amped up" pepper guns. To this the other replied, "Well I hope we get some rowdy ones tonight!." The other simply replied, "Oh, I'll get 'em rowdy!"

What a bunch of great guys. Harassing small town drunks, so they can get their rocks off with their new weapons. And we defend them in spite of? Nuts to that!

I remember reading somewhere not too long ago about one in four cops are corrupt and one in two have restraining orders against them by girlfriends, wives, etc. When some cops were interviewed, they said that if they were not on the force, they would be committing crimes.

In Indianapolis, IN ( around my area ) a drunk (0.19 BAC) cop going, by some reports, ~80mph in a 40mph zone slammed into two motorcyclists killing one, and seriously injuring the other. Drunk driving charges were dropped because the blood test given after the accident for alcohol was NOT administered by someone who is licensed to collect blood for a criminal investigation for the state of Indiana.

It seems like someone in the police department new about this loop hole, and exploited it to help the drunk cop. I have no proof to back this up though.

link Can't find anything other than some local news right now

EDIT::Some grammar and spelling...

Here are some corruption statistics for you:

http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=1265

There are the one who got caught.

What's really bad is I know more loopholes than most lawyers.

"Absolute Power corrupts absolutely"

Let's remember who the police are...
They are people, just like any other, that WE employ to
do a job.....
They are not beyond reach
They can be fired
They can be arrested
It is time, at least in the USA, for people to remember that it is the PUBLIC that runs the show.
Until we remember that, things will not change.
Yes, there is corruption.
You can also find corruption in other arenas also.
They are just citizens that WE employ.
WE can have them fired.
Every police dept. has a citizen action group.
This is where you complain.
It is time we clean up our back yards.

Speaking of our backyards, I got one that proves how absurdly corrupt they police are. About a month ago I was at my home office, working alone like many nights. Well it was around midnight when I a loud clang followed by what I believed to be glass breaking. So I grabbed my .45 off the desk, hit the panic button on my alarm system and rushed outside to see some idiot trying to steal the copper off my solar water/electric panels. Now I aimed at his chest and identified my self when he rushed towards me so I put a round in his shoulder (lucky bastard since I shoot to kill) then noticing he was carrying a knife flashlight and pair of wire cutters. Anyhow the police showed up and ARRESTED ME, and called an ambulance for him. Now they decided I was at no fault but still confiscated my weapon (a vintage M1911 .45, that belonged to my grandfather mind you), and finally arrested the other guy. So a week later I get a knock at the door where 3 cops literally pull me out of my own house and say I'm under arrest for attempted murder. Turns out one of the cops managed to push a judge that I had intent to kill, and issued a warrant for my arrest. This was quickly cleared up when my lawyer showed up and threatened them with multiple counts of harassment and false arrest. Now I am still waiting for them to remove the charges from my record (I face an un-honorable discharge from the military and loss of all merits and benefits if not cleared up soon) and the return of my grandfathers .45 (which there is a court order for them to return it, but they still refuse because they say its part of an ongoing investigation).

I can only imagine how much they are laughing, about this at the precinct. They refuse to respond to court orders and a sanction from the US Military, perhaps pulling a john rambo is the only way to get a point across nowadays.

sorry about rambling on guys, this just really has me pissed off right now

Sorry to hear of your Incident Crash..I hope everything gets sorted out for you buddy....
Here is a prime example of how the UK is being turned into a police state..Linky=Daily telegraph..

..Now I might be being pedantic here but isn`t the Freedom of information act supposed to be Free?...Freedom says it all really...
Nice Linky to a like named article

I guarntee you have family, or spouse, or friend that is a police officer or involved with the "system" in the USA. Very few "citizens" of the USA I know feel this way, I was once told by my Grandfather who was a very well educated man and made a decent living, and was also a Marine, that there are three types of laws in this country. Laws for people who make the laws, laws for people who enforce the laws, and the laws for us. To say that people that feel this way must be uneducated or poor is outrageous and you are what is wrong with this country today!